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Dátum: 26.1.2015
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Dátum: 7.12.2014
Od: john
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Dátum: 30.7.2014
Od: janica
Predmet: RE: nieco pre neprebudenych
Klama zákazníka sa oplatí -
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Dátum: 14.2.2013
Od: Mário
Predmet: RE: nieco pre neprebudenych
Ja mám skúsenosti s 123dopyt.sk Sú to podvodníci ktorých sa nezbavíte.
Pôvodne som prejavil záujem vyskúša ich systém v skúšobnom termíne za nejakých 40 eur/3mes.
Keď mi prišla faktúra na 40eur + dph tak som im oznámil že nemám záujem o ich služby vzhžadom k tomu že sa mi zdá neseriózne udáva cenu bez DPH a túto informáciu znázorni niekde v rohu malinkými písmenami.
Napriek tomu mi od nich chodili ponuky. Ale BEZ KONTAKTOV na dopytujúcich pretože som neuhradil faktúru. Kontaktovali ma aj telefonicky kde som im opätovne zdôrazňoval že nemám záujem o ich služby. Na to prišla mailom upomienka. Opakovane som sa vyjadril že nemám záujem a nech mi nič neposielajú. Od vtedy prišlo upomienok asi 5, tvrdošijne trvajú na úhrade, napriek tomu že som sa niekožkokrát aj písomne vyjadril že nemám záujem, nehovoriac o tom že sú bez kontaktov na dopytujúcich NEPOUŽITEźNÉ !
Samozrejme som nič neuhradil a potom to prevzala vymáhačská firma logicall ktorú absolútne nezuajíma žiadne vysvetlenie. Trvajú na úhrade aj s vymáhačskými poplatkami (už je to nejakých 80 eur), vyvolávajú, vypisujú maily, obažujú a vyhrážajú sa exekúciami !
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Dátum: 22.5.2011
Od: hip
Predmet: RE: nieco pre neprebudenych
Prečo si myslíte, že úradníci vydávajúci stavebné povolenie, môžu nejakým spôsobom za kvalitu projektov? Ak by kvalita projektov mala závisie od nich, tak by museli projektu rozumie lepšie ako ten, čo ho spracováva a sedí nad ním týždeň, mesiac ... a viacej.
Nehovoriac o tom, že ich vzdelanie a praktické skúsenosti by museli by tiež na vyššej úrovni ako spracovateža projektu. To nám však nehrozí. Kvalita je daná výhradne spracovatežom - zodpovedným projektantom a tým, ako je schopný svoje riešenia obháji a spolu s investorom presadi. Žiaž, ako som už skorej uviedol, súčasná legislatíva - menovite v diskutovanom probléme, Stavebný zákon so svojim členením stavieb a na to naväzujúcimi vybranými činnosami zanáša do procesu výstavby cielený a vedomý bordel a vysmieva sa autorizovaným architektom a inžinierom tým, že napr. rodinné domy tvoriace urbanistický a architektonický výraz našej krajiny projektujú stredoškoláci a inžinieri bez skúseností a realizačné projekty - za ktoré jedine sa dá dosta do Leopoldova, môžu robi aj žudia so základným vzdelaním! Je to zrelé na zrušenie autorizácií a tým aj komôr SKA a SKSI všeobecne, lebo to čo robia autorizovaní - /len trošku preženiem/ tých pár výkvetov v mestách zväčša nadiktovaných aj tak developermi, nám autorizovaným určite chýba nebude. Po posledných desiatich rokoch praxe už musím konštatova, že toto je ciežom našej výkonnej a zákonodarnej moci resp. záujmových skupín, ktoré ich asi "bokovkou" financujú!

Dátum: 20.5.2011
Od: emo
Predmet: RE: nieco pre neprebudenych
Ibaže projekt sa delí na stupne.
Pokiaž ide ÚR a následne SP tak dajme tomu, že na SP urobíš priamo "RP" (v uvodzovkách je to zámerne). To by som v celku aj prehltol. Ale pokiaž sa tu bavíme o RD, tak mnoho z nich sa nepovožuje ÚR a SP, ale v zlúčenom konaní. Výsledkom môže by samozrejme, že stavba tak ako je navrhnutá nebude schválená aj keď nie z objektívnych dôvodov ale napr. ďalších náväzností..... Proste konanie sa robí preto, že jeho výsledkom môže by aj prerušenie...
Napr. som riešil RD, kde nebol žiaden rozpor so zákonom ale s vyjadrením poradného orgánu, ktoré sa prenieslo kvázi do ÚR (dos zamotané na vysvetlenie), zákon umožnil ís zlúčeným a za podmienky, že je dodržaný zákon a že susedia budú súhlasi SÚ oznámil účastníkom, že nevidí problém pre vydanie zlúčeného SP.
Sused síce predbežne ústne súhlasil, podža zákona sme mohli ís na 2 m, my sme išli na 4 m (o čom s vedomím rizika a podmienkou súhlasu suseda rozhodol klient) a podža poradného orgánu malo by 5 m. Ideálne bolo robi pre istotu ÚR, ale bola dohoda. Na konaní prebehlo všetko OK aj so susedom, ale ešte ten deň prišla vznies námietku manželka s odvolaním na rozpor. Projekt sa prerábal.
S ohžadom na túto skutočnos sú špecifikované požiadavky na obsah PD p SP. Potom tak isto pri takých zjednodušených schémach by som mohol tvrdi, že všetko čo je nad min. rozsah požiadaviek pre SP a robím to je zle, lebo môže nakoniec finančne poškodi klienta.
Samozrejme to tvrdi nechcem, ani to tak robi nebudem, ale tiež nebudem namieta nič proti kolegom, ktorí to tak robia.

Dátum: 20.5.2011
Od: mika
Predmet: RE: nieco pre neprebudenych
To, že cenu práce znižuje (ale tu doplním, že nie LEN to ale AJ to) totálna benevolencia stavebných úradov, kedy schvália aj zdrap papiera (akože "projekt"), to je samozrejme krutá pravda.
Ak by stavebné úrady dôsledne vyžadovali všetky náležitosti, ktoré má projekt obsahova, tí 700euroví by si to rýchlo rozmysleli. Takto nato doplácajú tí poctíví, ktorí robia projekty poriadne.

Dátum: 20.5.2011
Od: mika
Predmet: RE: nieco pre neprebudenych
źuboš:
Môžem otoči Vᚠpríspevok? Ak Vám je smiešne, že by tu niekto bol rád, aby projektova RD mohli zásadne autorizovaní (čo je samozrejme vec názoru, a ja Vám ten Vᚠneberiem) nepríde Vám na oplátku smiešne, ak sa v následnej vete stotožňujete s tým že projekt požiarnej bezpečnosti môže vypracova výlučne špecialista PO?
Tak keď môže navrhnú statiku krovu cukrár, prečo nie projekt pož.bezpečnosti? Štatisticky ani kvoli jednej veci (statika-PO) domy nepadajú, ani nehoria, tak prečo nie?
Toto je celá tragédia stavarského fachu, že každý bojuje sám za seba a až absurdne pretláča len a len tú svoju profesiu, ako tú naj-najdôležitejšiu.


Dátum: 19.5.2011
Od: emo
Predmet: RE: nieco pre neprebudenych
Tak to sa Vám ospravedlňujem, mrzí ma to, že Vám Vᚠmobil neukazuje neprijaté hovory a hlavne, že ste to celé poňal takto. V žiadnom prípade Vám nebudem znemožňova využi Vaše práva. Moje číslo je 0907147552 a Vaše aj s časom kedy som Vám volal mám uložené v pamäti telefónu.

Dátum: 19.5.2011
Od: źuboš Semančík
Predmet: RE: nieco pre neprebudenych
emo, vy ste mi este stale nedorucili osobne informacie o svojej osobe. Trestne oznamenie na vasu osobu pre ohovaranie na tomto fore na vas ma moj pravnik uz davnejsie prpravene ale predsalen cakam na tie sluby a vymysly o udajnych telefonatoch mojej osobe a podobne nezmysly......

Casto klamate a ohovarate?

Dátum: 19.5.2011
Od: emo
Predmet: RE: nieco pre neprebudenych
Keďže je to iba na zamyslenie, tak sa iba zamýšžam:
Ceny stanovujú architekti, projektanti, povieš kožko za to chceš a klient si to objedná alebo nie. Nikdy by ma nenapadlo nadáva na niekoho komu je môj projekt drahý, že ho chce lacnejšie. Úprimne - keď sa viac neozve teším sa.
Projekty sú žuďom drahé, prečo by sa za to mali hanbi?
Mne je 5000 za elektroniku tiež veža, nie preto že neviem čo, ale preto že na to nemám. 1000 by bolo tiež veža, lebo ani na to nemám.
Argumentova takými čo tožko dajú je v poriadku, pokiaž to nezovšeobecníme. Postreh na priority je trefný, ale o kom sa bavíme? Ja vravím o 1 zo 100. Keď sa bavíme o RD určite viac ako 1/2 sú žudia, ktorí volia túto možnos ako "lacnejšiu" alternatívu voči kúpe drahého bytu, ktorý im navyše priestorovo nevyhovuje(pracujem takmer výhradne pre žudí z vežkomesta a vežmi úzkeho okolia).
- Takmer všetky domy sa robia s nízkorozpočtovými riešeniami - organizačne, materiálovo...
- Väčšina domov je finančne krytá 20-30 ročnými úvermi. - Nikdy som nemal klienta na RD, ktorý by neprekročil svoj plánovaný rozpočet
- Žiaž už sem tam pracujem aj na akciách získaných po nezvládnutých hypotékach a týchto akcií bude asi žiaž iba pribúda.
- Dokonči RD podža prvotných zámerov sa vo väčšine prípadov nepodarí - robia sa dočasné, končiace ako trvalé náhradné riešenia, tu sa nedokončí fasáda, tu chýba zábradlie, z finančných dôvodov podcenené technické riešenie si vypýta svoju daň už počas stavby, okná radšej nie také, kovania tiež nie, nebudú posuvné...... interiér väčšinou na zaplakanie (došli financie) o zariadení už ani nehovorím.... tá 5000 E elektronika zväčša v realite obmedzená na TV čo bola darom od rodiny + veža zo študentských čias...
To len trocha protikladu pre posunutie spä k objektívnosti.
Ak máte naozaj takých klientov, čo im urobíte za smiešne ceny projekty a oni si po priemerne zvládnutom RD a jeho interiéri kúpia 3-4 čierne bedničky za 5000 E, tak otázka kde je problém by mala znie asi trochu inak.

Dátum: 17.5.2011
Od: źuboš Semančík
Predmet: RE: nieco pre neprebudenych
len stale nerozumiem, PRECO by mali rodinne domy projektovat zasadne autorizovani architekti a autorizovani stavebni inzinieri...

nepride vam to az trochu smiesne? lebo mne ano. a urcite len nie mne...

co sa tyka stavebnych strednych skol, vy mate stavebnu priemyslovku?..... alebo len gymnazium a architekturu?...lebo aby sme vedeli o com tu piseme.

Cena prace je aka je, a za to nemoze ta autorizacia ale to ze prejde AKAKOLVEK praca na stavebnom urade -

vid. napr. neexistencia poziarnej bezpecnosti v projektovej dokumentacii, to je priestupok voci zakonu o ochrane pred poziarmi a nema existovat jedine stavebne povolenie na RD bez vypracovanej dokumetnacie specialistom PO, ze ano.

Dátum: 17.5.2011
Od: hip
Predmet: RE: nieco pre neprebudenych
Iste Vám vyplynulo z mojej poslednej reakcie, kde ma zaradi. Ak by však boli pochybnosti doplním: Viem, že ak sú vedenia komôr férové, tak ako je tomu iste teraz v oboch komorách - o tom som presvedčený, ich osobné príjmy nepresiahnu napr. príjmy z jedného - dvoch projektov RD v mesiaci. S tým ja problém nemám, ale ide o pochybnosti členov aj nečlenov, ktorí si myslia opak, alebo môžu myslie opak v budúcnosti tak, ako to bolo v minulosti a vtedy musia ma možnos slobodnej vožby.

Dátum: 17.5.2011
Od: hip
Predmet: RE: nieco pre neprebudenych
Pán bkovac,
autorizácia a povinné členstvo v komore sú dve rozdielne veci, ktoré so sebou vôbec nemusia súvisie. Na komory štát prenáša určité kompetencie. Je to napríklad výkon autorizačných skúšok a vedenie zoznamov autorizovaných. Ak má komora právo „da“ autorizáciu, tak ju má právo odňa alebo kontrolova atď. - to je iba na znení zákona, aké kompetencie komora dostane. Stále to však nesúvisí, s povinným členstvom v komore. Inými slovami: Všetko sa dá tak naformulova, aby výkon povolania autorizovaného inžiniera aj za hranicami zostal bez zmeny, iba členstvo v komorách by bolo dobrovožné. Samozrejme, že členovia komôr by mali svoje výhody plynúce zo spojenia sa ako je napr. prístup k normám, školenia, prístup k iným informáciám a aj účas na tvorbe legislatívy - prinajmenšom ako je to doteraz. Preto prinajmenšom, lebo komora s dobrovožným členstvom bude komorou žudí so záujmom, bude /môže by/ to pre nich cou a nie ako je to teraz. Mimochodom, kožko žudí z členskej základne sa zúčastňuje valných zhromaždení v SKA? U nás v SKSI je to z 5000 členov asi 250! a ďalších cca 250 dá splnomocnenia. Tých ostatných 4500 šomre a nadáva, že len platia a nič z toho. Toto nie je stav hodný úrovne normálnej demokracie a mňa ako aktívneho člena komory to uráža.


Dátum: 16.5.2011
Od: bkovac
Predmet: RE: hip_ovi
K Vasej uvahe "...je jednoduchšie riešenie - urobi si autorizáciu a bojova...aby členstvo v komorách bolo dobrovožným /tak to už mimochodom cca pred 12 rokmi bolo/ a keď vedenia komôr budú nenažraní, tak z nich vystúpime" par poznamok
1. tu autorizaciu v takom pripade pravdepodobne nebude davat komora ako organ prenesenej statnej spravy, ale priamo ministerstvo...a je mozne ze ani nie architekti, ale uradnici. tak ako to bolo ako pisete kedysi. Aj preto mame tzv. povinne clenstvo (to pomenovanie ale nie je presne...), ze komory vykonavaju zo zakona niektore funkcie statu.
2. dobrovolne clenstvo znamena ze ti mimo komoru si budu moct robit co chcu, ako chcu. samozrejme si treba ale sucasne uvedomit, ze ti mimo komoru sa ocitnu aj mimo trhu prace EU, lebo len clenstvo v komore zarucuje vo vykone povolania architekt slobodny pohyb osob (nemyslim si totiz ze autorizacia napr. v Nemecku sa da ziskat len tak...). A architekt z EU, ktory dostane hostovsku autorizacnu peciatku po jej ziskani bude moct tiez komore zamavat? Ozaj chceme, aby komora mala jedinu ulohu - dat autorizaciu a potom uz na nu nemat absolutne ziaden dosah? Dnes sme este pre ministerstva ako tak partner pri prerokuvani zakonov, komoru dobrovolnikov nebude brat nikto vazne...
3. nechajte sa zvolit ak mate pocit ze praca vo vedeni komory dakoho nasyti...
4. vypisovatel temy prinasa zaujimavy postreh, ako su su ludia v stave davat peniaze na hnutelny majetok ale investovat do projektu nehnutelnosti, ktory projekt hodnotu nehnutelnosti moze podstatne zvysit, sa im zda privysoke...

Dátum: 16.5.2011
Od: mika
Predmet: RE: nieco pre neprebudenych
"Keby bolo na mne /tak po rokoch praxe a poznaní úrovne súčasných projektov/, by som zakázal projektova všetkým bez autorizácie a autorizovaných by som znovu poriadne preskúšal a preveril ich prax. Včítane mňa."
Ač ešte neautorizovaný, plne súhlasím!!
Karol, neviem akého si veku, tak možno to nie je Tvoj prípad, ale hlavne mladí sa krátkozrako "tešia" že môžu projektova skoro bez ničoho. Toto ale skutočne stláča cenu práce (a aj kvalitu ale to investorovi nedojde) do takého suterénu, že je to neúnosné. Mladému to ale nedojde. On spraví ten projekt Rdčka na ukradnutom cade a je štastny za každé euro. Len aby nemusel hrdlači v atelieri na niekom inom. Za pár rokov to ale pochopí. Ked ho budu dumpova ešte mladší a ešte lacnejší.
TOto ale nie je ponos nejakéh starého páprdu, ktorý sa bojí konkurencie. Takto to proste je a musíme sa s tým zmieri. Dneska Vám končia absolventi FA v tom lepšom prípade v Decodome pri "návrhu" kuchynskej linky,v horšom prípade sú predavačmi. Je ich kvantum a nemajú robotu. Je logické že sa ide pod cenu. Je tu extrémny pretlak v oblastiach duševnej práce. Celá táto absurdná situácia má korene v zhnitom školskom systéme, v ktorom sa k titulu "dopracuje" aj človek, ktorý by pri normálne nastavených kritériach nikdy nedoštudoval, ba by o tom ani nikdy neuvažoval.

Dátum: 16.5.2011
Od: hip
Predmet: RE: nieco pre neprebudenych
Karol, mohol by som tvoj názor dopracova do väčšej absurdnosti - načo nám je diplom z vysokej školy, ba načo nám je vôbec diplom, keď nám stačí na projektovanie stredná škola a nebolo by to lepšie, aby projektovali aj vyučení murári napr. po 10 rokoch praxe? - veď tí už iste budú múdrejší ako nejaké "štence" s okrúhlymi pečiatkami. Pekná blbos, že? Na Tvoj problém je jednoduchšie riešenie - urobi si autorizáciu a bojova tak, ako sa zo svojej pozície snažím aj ja, aby členstvo v komorách bolo dobrovožným /tak to už mimochodom cca pred 12 rokmi bolo/ a keď vedenia komôr budú nenažraní, tak z nich vystúpime. Keby bolo na mne /tak po rokoch praxe a poznaní úrovne súčasných projektov/, by som zakázal projektova všetkým bez autorizácie a autorizovaných by som znovu poriadne preskúšal a preveril ich prax. Včítane mňa.

Dátum: 16.5.2011
Od: źuboš Semančík
Predmet: RE: nieco pre neprebudenych
ako vidim, ludia sa tu boja napisat nieco POD VLASTNYM MENOM, ohovaraju pod akymysi nickmi, ale v tomto fore je to asi samozrejme... Az mi je cudne ze toto forum kde nie je problem verejne ohovarat ineho podporuje SKSI alebo kto vlastne..


Ano, 700 eur je SMIESNE... Ale ked to niekto za 700 eur urobi.........

Ja to vidim tak, ze problem nie je v projektantoch, ani v definicii "jednoduchej stavby" ale ako vzdy a ako inak problem je v STAVEBNYCH URADOCH. Ktore schvalia HOCICO... :-). Aj ked to nema ziadne nalezistosti v zmysle zakona, zakonov, vyhlasok, predpisov...proste to nemusi mat nic... Ako co a ako komu ako kde a ako kedy.....

Oproti 10r dozadu, sa pocet povinnych zohladnenych predpisov pri stavbe aspon z 300% nasobil, alebo z5nasobil... Poziadavky na projekty na Stavebnych uradoch toto ale nereflektuju. Projektanti prakticky povinne MUSIA chodit na skolenia, studovat nove prepdisy..... ale kto skoli ludi na stavebnych uradoch? :-). Tam su cisti "geniovia" zrejme... a ked sa tomu co im kto predlozi vobec nerozumeju tak "je to (asi) dobre..."

Nasa vlada urcite (ne)vie co robi.....najma ta sucasna! :-). Tvarime sa, ze plnime poziadavky EU, v skutocnosti to "len tak vyzera"... Cize na projektantov su extremne poziadavky, ale SKUTOCNA kvalita prace je minimalna..... V zdravotnictve je to ale to iste, nie?... Akurat ze lekarovi sa plati za vsetko, co je aspon znak "kvality" preco? lebo, lebo, lebo... v inych profesiach je to preco inak? lebo....

Keby to bolo ako volakedy, ze potrebujete poriadny projekt, tak NIKTO by vam ho za 700 eur neurobil.

Ked poriadny projekt nepotrebujete mat. Tak je samozrejme ze cena ide niekam "k zdrapom papiera, ktore potrebujem mat" aby mi dali dalsi papier "stavebne povolenie". A vlastne naco vobec stavebne povolenie, ze?.....ved pokuty za cierne stavby su stale tak nizke a trestny cin ciernej stavby s poriadnou sadzbou a pokutou to stale nie je... stavebny dohlad je mizerny.... Tak naco platit za nieco viac ako musi...

Ozaj co je to za "projekt" kde ako momentalne mam spracovat 4 verzie ako ta stavba "bude vyzerat", a hlavny projektant ani nevie ci to bude so zateplenim, alebo bez zateplenia, alebo cim to bude vykurovat, na vsetko ma 3-4 verzie ako to "bude". LEBO INVERSTOR SA NEVIE ROZHODNUT ako to vlastne chce mat... Hlavne ze ja ako projektant, to mam mat EXAKTNE uvedene :-)

Dátum: 16.5.2011
Od: na zamyslenie
Predmet: RE: nieco pre neprebudenych
karol....tu nejde o to , ci si alebo nie si clenom komory, tu ide o to ze za zodpovednu pracu , na d ktorou stavis x hodin casu, tak je niekto ochotny dat max 700 euro....hamba tymto nenazranym kratkozrakym ludom

Dátum: 16.5.2011
Od: Karol
Predmet: RE: nieco pre neprebudenych
to hip: "...je tlak na ministerstvo a "zákonodarcov", aby si svojimi zákonmi nerobili z nás prču a nesnažili sa nám už cca 10 rokov nanucova, že rodinné domy sú jednoduché stavby, ktoré môžu projektova aj žudia prakticky bez vzdelania a vedomostí a tým aj za smiešne ceny, lebo nakoniec to čo nakreslia ani nemá vyššiu cenu. ..."
To akoze ja s 6 rokmi na vyske a viac ako 7 rokmi praxe v odbore ale bez okruhlej peciatky od nejakej "rady starsich" som bez vzdelania a bez vedomosti? Myslis ze nemam dostatok skusenoasti na to aby som navrhol kvalitny dom? OK, nech RD uz nieje jednoducha stavba ale nech to neni ani obmedzovane okruhlou peciatkou bez ktorej ine ako jednoduche stavby navrhovat nemozem. A peciatku nechcem pretoze nechcem platit a podporovat ludi od ktorych za to nic nemam, len mudruju.
Aku inu moznost bude mat clovek ktory na to ma vzdelanie, zapal, talent, a aj ho to bavi ale nechce byt clenom komory?

Dátum: 16.5.2011
Od: marcelino
Predmet: RE: nieco pre neprebudenych
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Dátum: 15.5.2011
Od: mika
Predmet: RE: nieco pre neprebudenych
Vežmi dobrá otázka, skutočne na zamyslenie. Mohla by z toho vzniknú konštruktívna debata, ako z toho von. Je to pravda, že v žudoch je proste ešte stále zakorenené, že duševná práca nemá cenu, a jedným slovom nie sú ochotní platit za malovánky. Ešte by som zadávateža témy doplnil v tom, že nie spotrebná elektronika unblock, ale priamo napr jeden príklad. Drobný investor chce projekt RD za 700E a pritom ten istý investor dá za nejaké blbé lcd do obyvačky 1000E. V tom dome bude býva celý život, a ked bude ma projekt za 700E tak to potom tak aj bude ten dom vypada, ale tá tv mu do dvoch rokov skape (v tom lepšom prípade, v horšom po dvoch rokoch a jednom mesiaci) To je téma hodná priam nejakej sociálnej štúdie, ako majú ludia pretočené hodnoty, a ako platia za bezvýznamné veci hrozné pálky, a ako nie sú ochotní priplati si tam, kde to zmysel má.
A nikto, nikto ma nepresvedčí, že "projekt" za 700E je projektom. Možno jeden zo sto, kde autor berie svoju prácu nie ako zárobkovú ale ako nejaké poslanie, hobby.
A pre rýpalov, neplatí to opačne samozrejme. Projekt za 3000E automaticky nezaručuje kvalitu.
Pravdu má však aj dano. Na PD RD sa tak či tak nedá nejak extra zarobi, takže je to možno aj jedno.
Inak tento problém nezasahuje len architektúru. Ide to skrz celú spoločnos vo všetkých odvetviach. Jednou vetou, ludom sa už nechce robi manuálne!!! Takže je obrovský pretlak v oboroch, kde sa robí nemanuálne. To stláča cenu práce na minimálne hodnoty. Zatiaž čo cena práce napr remeselníkov ide tak hore, že častokrat si búchame hlavu, načo sme zabili tožké roky na výške.

Dátum: 12.5.2011
Od: dano
Predmet: RE: nieco pre neprebudenych
na druhej strane, pred sto rokmi architekti navrhovali iba vascie budovy, rodinne domy si robili vsetci sami. Ziadne "drahe" projekty nepotrebovali. A toto zostava v ludoch stale zakorenene. Postav dom, zasad strom. (Nie daj si postavit...)
Druha vec je, ako to nakoniec vyzera...to je taky obraz spolocnosti...mozno sa nam nepaci,ale sme taki aky sme.

Dátum: 12.5.2011
Od: hip
Predmet: RE: nieco pre neprebudenych
Vežmi dobre rozumiem Vášmu rozhorčeniu. Laická verejnos sa nezobudí, ich spánok má hlbšie korene. Stačí si pozrie posledné preferencie strán. Čo sa však dá urobi z našej pozície, resp. z pozície vedenia komôr SKA a SKSI, je tlak na ministerstvo a "zákonodarcov", aby si svojimi zákonmi nerobili z nás prču a nesnažili sa nám už cca 10 rokov nanucova, že rodinné domy sú jednoduché stavby, ktoré môžu projektova aj žudia prakticky bez vzdelania a vedomostí a tým aj za smiešne ceny, lebo nakoniec to čo nakreslia ani nemá vyššiu cenu.