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31.1.2007 |  Igor
 
...je zaujimave, ako mna studenta dokaze odradit a znechutit skupina pedagogov ing.arch. od mojho
konicka-architektury, mojho buduceho povolania a zahubyt vo mne nadej, ze aj na Slovensku sa da studovat kvalitna architektura... bohuzial pokial to bude takto dalej napredovat asi sa toho nedockame..
Architektura je matka umeni... tak by sa k nej aj tak malo pristupovat...
Preco nasej skole ide o kvantitu a nie o kvalitu??!! ...preco na ukor umelo ziskanych penazi z kazdeho prijateho studenta ma nakoniec skola trpiet nedostatkom vsetkeho...??? Malo pedagogov, male priestory, ziadna podpora.... len psycho... Ako maju vyjst z nasej skoly kvalitny architekti? ...sa cudujeme ze Slovensko nema kvalitnu architekturu... a hadame sa ci mame zburat alebo zachova hotel Kijev??? preco nasa skola nie je nasim druhym domovom a zatvara sa pred nami? preco musime sediet na schodoch?? a ked si chceme len nieco precitat alebo naskicovat, tak nakoniec zistime, ze nemame kde... nemame priestory, kde sa mozme v klude porozpravat, pracovat na atelieroch, robit si pracovne modely, kreativne mysliet, diskutovat a mat k dispozicii casopisy, knihy... da sa povedat, ze zivot na FA-STU po 16tej konci... a pritom kazdy architekt a aj student vie, ze architektura nie je praca ale zivotny styl, ktory nekonci ako u ostatnych ludi o 16tej alebo 18tej ako koniec parcovnej doby... staci sa ist pozriet kusok vedla k nasim rakuskym susedom... na TU-FA vo Viedni a je krasne vidno ako su kazde dvere aj o 18tej vecer otvorene kazdemu... je tam zivot, su tam studenti, a pracuju a diskutuju... prezivaju svoj sen... viem ze je to aj v mentalite naroda... tak potom mame Slovaci co dobiehat.. :(


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Od: Zuzana
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
Mam kolegov-studentov vo Viedni a viem, ze dlho cakju na terminy skusok, niekdedy aj celu noc aby sa mohli zapisat na termin.Priemerne studuju 9-10 rokov, lebo väcsina z nich popri zamestnani jdnak pracuje a jednak maju problemy s terminami.Potom potrebuju niekolko rokov praxe- ale nie kazda forma zamestanania sa zahrnuje do praxe.Takze peciatku niektori ani neziskaju, a ked ju ziskaju tak je poistenie take drahe, ze sa radsej do komory ani neprihlasia.Dufam, ze sa k tomuto na Slovensku nedopracujeme....

Dátum: 20.2.2007
Od: bohus kovac
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
este k tym titulom (ale to je trocha bokom od igorovej hlavnej temy) - dolezite bude, aby skola ziskala medzinarodnu akreditaciu a nasa komora tiez (uz ju ma). Potom je v podstate jedno ten titul, pretoze tak sa skola aj s titulom dostane na listinu akreditovanych skol a uznavanych komorami (*komory si doveruju...) a bude jedno aky ten titul bude ci s arch. alebo bez (dufam ze unia bude nadalej pokracovat v respektovani aj istych narodnych specifik). Tak je to v podstate aj teraz - po ukonceni pristupovych rokovani a prijati SR do EU nastastie nas predosly dekan ustal v Bruseli ( a ja pevne verim ze sa tak podari aj Ludovi Petranskemu ) vsetky otazky ohladne obsahu vzdelania a tiez titulu. A musim otvorene povedat, ze to, ze absolventi odboru urbanizmus (len 2. stupen po spolocnom 1 st.) dostavali titul ing.arch. vyvolalo viac otazok ako to, ci ma unia zapisat do zoznamu pre vykon povolania architekta aj absolventov stavebnych fakult...Aj preto sme zvolili nazov celostatneho odboru Architektura a urbanizmus a nie oddelene... Tak sa z FA a vsetkych jej predchodkyn dostali vsetky historicky udelovane tituly v odbore architektura a urbanizmus do zoznamu uznanych titulov. Europa je v podstate zatial vybavena,
ale uznavanie v Kanade, USA a pod. je pomerne individualne...ale dostali ho nasi absolventi tiez.
Tieto veci su ale stale v pohybe...napr. pohlad na nasu tradiciu systemun 4+2 roky vedla prevazujucich systemov 3+2 je taky, ze na toho 4 rocneho bakalara sa pozeraju ako na mierne prevzdelaneho, ktoremu uz len 1 rok chyba, aby mal tych inde standardnych 5 rokov a teda mohol vykonavat povolanie.... Ak budeme chciet ustat tento model, musime dokazat, ze ten 4 rocny bakalar zdaleka tak daleko nie je a este tie dva roky potrebuje. Ale ak sa do toho zapletie stat a povie, ze ked inde staci finacovat 5 rokov studia architektury k tomu, aby toto vzdelanie stacilo pre vykon povolania....uvidime co prinesie cas, ja dufam ze nebudeme musiet zase zacat od zaciatku...pozdr. BK

*pozn.: aj preto ja osobne povazujem existenciu komory za nevyhnutnu a ak sa cca pred 2-3 rokmi oficialne hovorilo o zruseni komor, vehementne sme z FA komoru podporili prave z tejto strany argumentacie...)


Dátum: 20.2.2007
Od: quarel
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
Myslim ze atmosfera skolskeho prostredia, samotneho priestoru ,kde sa student pohybuje, pomaha v tvorbe osobnosti.!

Nebolo by od veci , aby boli jednotlive katedry viac otvorene medzi sebou a taktiez aby komunikovali so studijnym oddelenim, ked uz nemozu komunikovat so studentmi, a svoje odkazy pre studentov nevylepovali na svoje dvere ale davali na informacne tabule, aby som sa ako student nemusel „splhat“ na 4.te poschodie, len kvoli tomu aby som zistil ake su informacie o nejakom predmete, alebo skuske. Verim ze tento problem ciastocne vyriesi aj informacny system.Aj ked nanho sa nemozme vyhovarat ,alebo sa nim obhajovat, lebo nie je , a ked som v skole, nemam v tomto case moznost ako to zistit,. Samozrejme tu nejde o moju pohodlnost, ale o efektivitu, a o to , aby som nemusel pocas dna 3x behat na 4te poschodie ak nieco potrebujem vybavit. Aj ked je to dobre na fyzicku, ide mi len o psychicku a fyzicku pohodu, a ze ked niekam idem ze to nie je bezcielne.

Napada ma este jeden napad, co tak dat velku informacnu tabulu o pritomnosti pedagogov na skole, podla mna dalo by sa to riesit nejako cez cipove karty, a ich nepritomnost by automaticky vyskocila na danej tabuli. Mam pocit ze niektore veci si ludia nevedia predstavit, preto sa moze zdat niekomu tato myslienka naivna…Tym by sa sprehladnilo , hlavne pre nas studentov, kto tu je a kto este nie, alebo stale nie je. Vyhli by sme sa vyhladavaniu ludi po celej fakulte, a znova zbytocnym stresom a nervom.

Preco niekto nerozmysla ja nad tym ako spravit den v priestoroch fakulty architektury pohodovym a nie stresujucim a uponahlanym. Potom sa tieto faktory s nami prenasaju do zivota a dokonca sa neraz stava ze dospeli ludia, pracujuci sa tymto obhajuju, ze takyto je zivot, pritom to podla mna nie je pravda. Cely zivot je o ludoch a o praci s ludmi , takze len ludia si mozu za stres, ktory si vytvaraju, ktoremu sa vystavuju.

Dalsia moja reakcia smeruje na pocet prijatych studentov. Tento problem som tiez raz riesil medzi urcitou skupinkou ludi mne blizkou , a zhodli sme sa na tom , ze nie je mozne z citoveho hladiska zachranovat nejakych buducich studakov, pod ciarou. A potom cele 4 roky , ak nie viac, vystavovat ostatnych studentov stresom z toho , ze je nas vela a je nutne nase stavy preriedit. Viem , pestuje sa v nas zdrava konkurencia, a zvysuju sa nase kvality, lebo sa kamsi tahame. Je otazne ci spravnym smerom. A ci spravnym sposobom. Je to uz raz tak ze kto na to nema, a je raz pod ciarov, pre nedostatok bodov, jednoducho nesplnil urcite poziadavky a nemal by byt prijaty na fakultu, ani z dovodov stresov a tremy a nevyrovnanosti z prijimacieho konania a z jehho dlzky a neviem coho este, lebo to je jednoducho v tom cloveku a o tom u podla mna tie skusky , s podobnymi vecami s a vyrovnat. Taktiez zastavam nazor, ze doraz , a gro celeho prijimacieho pohovoru alebo skusky by mal byt na talentovej casti. Predsa len nie sme stavebna, a v prve roky na fakute si cibrime prave svoju invenciu. A nie nadarmo potom budeme Pani architekti. Preto talent na prve miesto.
Podla mna , najvacsi achitekti, velikani , su preto velikanmi ze maju invenciu a napaditost, nie preto ze vedia spravne nadimenzovat nosniky alebo vyrysovat tzb. Je dobre o tom vediet ale nie je dobre sa tym okliestovat, sklucovat. Navrhoval by som podporu invencnosti a kreativneho ducha pocas celeho studia. Trebars aj vypracovat nejaky novy predmet na baze psychologie, ktory by to udrzoval v nas, studentoch.

Tolko moje navrhy a reakcie. Tiez som studentom ,ktory citi ze na fakulte cosi nie je vporiadku. Z prispevku pana Kovaca, som si aspon utvoril obraz o fakulte, a v podsate mi je to luto ze musela prechadzat takymto obdobim, ale je dobre ze sa z toho dostala a dufam ze bude napredovat v svojom raste a hlavne so spravnymi ludmi…

Dátum: 20.2.2007
Od: Učitež
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
Milý mladý kolega Igor,na margo tej Viedne: prešli ste sa po škole ako to tu "hýri" študentami po 15:00 hod?! No nedá sa kam stúpi. Takže radšej sa treba pozrie s rukou na srdci do vlastných radov. A prešli ste sa po škole o 12:00- no vtedy je tu naozaj veža študentov - a viete prečo? Lebo majú obedňajšiu prestávku vo firmách...
Ten život na fakulte robia predovšetkým študenti svojim zápalom, entuziazmom, žiadostivosou po vedomostiach. A takých je Vás spomedzi vežkých ročníkov možno 20 percent.
A ešte jedno - aj architekt môže by ako ostatní a ma určitý harmonogram práce - každý nie je rovnaký a dobrý architekt nemusí by zrovna bohém. Ale to, že poslanie architekta-pedagóga-vedca (čo na škole musí by) musíte skĺbi aj s inými povinnosami, na to prídete sami zrejme až za pár rokov...možno

Dátum: 20.2.2007
Od: "Mgr.arch Enrico Gonzales"
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
Jasne, v pohode...G.ABEND

Dátum: 20.2.2007
Od: potkan
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
nist si z prekladov titulov nerobte, podla najnovsie prezentovanych nazorov naseho ministra skolstva znovu budeme vsetci ing. bez privlastkov a podobnych ozdob...

Dátum: 20.2.2007
Od: Eugen Korda
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
Gonzales: Dakujem sa vysvetlenie. To co som pisal sa stalo pri pohovore do USA, ale bola to zrejme chyba prekladatela...
To ze titul MA je najcastejsim aspon co sa tyka naozaj kvalitnych skol je pravda. Akurat ETH ma tusim dipl.arch ETH. Ale to je uplne jedno a hlavne mimo temu, takze pardon.

Dátum: 20.2.2007
Od: "Mgr.arch Enrico Gonzales a la VSVU"
Predmet: Mily "Korda" nepis bludy
Mily "Eugen Korda", netrep.Nepis tu bludy, pretoze Tvoje skusenosti s titulom Ing.arch. pochadzaju jedine z krajin Tvojej fantazie.
Skus si prezriet klasifikaciu "titulov" a ich akreditáciu v komorach "vo svete" a potom sa zapajaj do fora s konkretnymi vedomostami o danom probleme.
A v neposlednom rade si kup novy slovnik na preklad "titulov a la Mgr.arch".
Budes sa mozno strasne divit,ale arch. Kovac je trochu iny odbornik na tieto byrokraticke problemy,a chtiac ci nechtiac sa ako exprodekan ohžadom studia takymito okolnostami zaoberal nejaky ten rocik.
Tak netrep.

Dátum: 19.2.2007
Od: Eugen Korda
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
Vo svete je najbeznejsi titul MA, alebo Master of Architecture. Mam skusenost ze prave s titulom Ing. arch bol vo svete pri jeho preklade do anglictiny problem. Magister sa preklada ako Master a titul Inzinier je vo svete pouzivany skor pre konstrukterov. S vynimkou AT a D. Ale proti gustu...

Dátum: 19.2.2007
Od: bohus kovac
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
samozrejme ze moze, ak dostane v komore opravnenie, podobne ako moze dat komora aj suhlas na vynimku zo vzdelania pri udeleni opravnenia pre vybrane cinnosti vo vystavbe (co nie je vo vybranych cinnostiach, moze sa robit bez opravnenia, patri tam aj isty okruh projektovania tzv. jednoduchych stavieb, interierov...). Ja len chcem zdoraznit, ze inziniersky titul je vo svete pre vykon povolania architekt podstatne beznejsi (spojenie ing.arch. je nasou lokalnou specialitou, ktorej zatial vo svete rozumeju) ako sucasny magister z umeleckych skol. Ale tym, ze je nasa komora architektov nastastie ako jedina uznana zo SR ako clen medzinarodneho zdruzenia komor architektury, tak toto clenstvo komory v ACE zarucuje jej clenom v zasade slobodny pohyb osob v krajinach EU - ale aj tak dostali pristupove staty nakoniec dodatocnu podmienku, a tou je medzinarodna akreditacia skol so studijnymi programami, ktore realizuju vzdelavanie ktoreho nadobudnutie je podmienkou pre vykon regulovanych povolani ( ja som mal informacie, ze sa tak ma stat do roka 2007...). Inak pre uplnost, u nas je aj komora kolegov stavebnych inzinierov, ktorych okruh opravneni umoznuje byt architektom stavby (niektori svoj zaujem o architekturu vyriesili tak, ze vstupili do komory architektov a maju peciatku autorizovaneho architekta, ja osobne si tento pristup velmi vazim - od nich aj od komory, ktora to akceptuje).

Dátum: 19.2.2007
Od: Eugen Korda
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
"...s titulom Ing. arch. (ak chce archiekt projektova budovy, iný titul ako ižinier ma ani nemôže)..."
Pan Kovac, tymto tvrdite ze vlastne Autorizovany Architekt (napr. s titulom z VSVU, alebo napr. AVU) nemoze projektovat budovy?? lebo mam pocit ze je to bezne...

Dátum: 18.2.2007
Od: bohus kovac
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
Vážené diskusné fórum,

Sledujem pozorne túto diskusiu a ako exprodekan pre štúdium na FA, ktorú funkciu som vykonával 10 rokov, cítim svoju prirodzenú zodpovednos za stav, v ktorom sa fakulta nachádza. Bez ambície dačo ospravedlňova, sa Vám pokúsim priblíži niečo z reality tak, ako ju riešili minulé vedenia fakulty. Keď som pred 10 rokmi preberal funkciu, ocitol som sa ostatnými členmi vedenia fakulty na kapitánskom mostíku lode, ktorá sa doslova potápala. Budova v zlom stave, výuka dizajnu v provizóriách, študijné predpisy ako za socializmu (ročníkový systém štúdia vrátane opakovaní celých ročníkov aj keď príčinou opakovania bol jeden predmet), predchodcovia pozabudli akreditova bakalárske štúdium len preto, že neverili, že tak to vo svete je...Pred svetom sme boli školou síce šesročného, ale predsa len jednostupňového štúdia. Tak vyzeralo aj financovanie fakulty. Akreditáciou v r.1998 sa nám podarilo stabilizova štúdium, medzi prvými sme zaviedli vtedy ešte zákonom nepožadovaný trojstupňový systém štúdia a zaviedli sme, keďže sme mali právnu subjektivitu, aj svoj, podža mňa podstatne pokročilejší kreditový systém štúdia ako si ho vyžiadal neskôr zákon o VŠ v roku 2002 a ako ho poznáme dnes zo študijného poriadku (pozrite len možnos prenosu neabsolvovaného zapísaného predmetu). Ako prodekan som žiaž zdedil aj manuálno-počítačový systém práce študijného oddelenia, bez aktívnych väzieb na študentov a katedry. Na vlastný fakultný akademický softvér sme nemali nikdy ani 10-tinu prostriedkov a univerzitný sa hžadal celých tých des rokov...ale snáď už to bude iné, konečne je tu AIS jednotný na celej STU. Budova nám však stále nepatrila, patrila štátu a naše problémy neboli tak horžavé ako bola katastrofálna situácia na iných školách. Takže na zoznamoch ministrestva sa naše problémy evidovali na posledných miestach nutnosti. Tak nám bezpečáci postupne zatvorili výahy a hrozilo aj zatvorenie auly a ďalších priestorov. Zatemnenie a výbava učební? Zabudnite, ledva ostalo na poloupratovačky. Aby nebola situácia vo financovaní VŠ tak jednoduchá, vznikli tzv. mečiarove univerzity a keďže išlo o politických sympatizantov, zobrali aj podstatnú čas toho mála prostriedkov štátneho rozpočtu určeného na financovanie VŠ. V takejto situácii sa podarilo dekanovi Špačekovi a prodekanovi Havašovi doslova vyčarova pomoc firmy, ktorá bez záujmu o zisk rekonštruovala aulu a oživila jeden z výahov...Profesor Finka z grantov zariadil seminárky na prvom poschodí. Pracovníci fakulty ani netušia, že počas tých desa rokov boli aj mesiace, keď nebolo na výplaty – dekani Špaček a Gál však túto situáciu zvládli aj pomocou výpožiek tak, že osadenstvo fakulty nikdy nespozorovalo ohrozenie svojej existencie. Peňazí vo fakultnej kase je pomenej aj preto, že mnohí učitelia architekti majú svoje súkromné kancelárie, kde síce pracujú po 16-tej hodine, ale možnos v spolupráci so študentami projektova cez školu (PC-ARCH, aj počas dňa) neakceptujú, keďže čas prostriedov ostáva na škole ( chemici robia všetko cez školu, doma nemajú laboratórium...). To je príčinou, že máme najslabší mimorozpočtový príjem spomedzi všetkých fakúlt... Po roku 2002 fakulta stratila právnu subjektivitu, fakulty univerzity prevzali od štátu budovy, ale bez peňazí na opravy a rekonštrukcie. Situácia vo financovaní VŠ začala by kritická, školy vyhlasovali zimné prázdniny, učitelia ( nie FA ) dostávali 10 platov... Štát vyhlásil doktrínu financovania závislú na počte študentov. Celkom oprávnene si uvedomil, že treba podporova najmä tie školy, o ktorých štúdium je záujem. A u nás záujem vždy prekračoval možnosti prijatia, resp. dlhoročný zvyk prijíma 150-180... Rozhodli sme sa, že už nechceme a nemáme dôvod by najmenším súkolím STU ( tak trocha inými s dešpektom brané ako iné, umelecké...ale umelci sú v predstavách žudí bohatí ). Formálne boli k tomu realizované kroky v ďalšej akreditácii v r. 2003, keď sa rozšírila ponuka študijných programov. Prijatie väčšieho počtu študentov v roku 2004 zachránilo fakultu pred potopením a dokonca v r.2005 boli aj trináste platy. Podarilo sa dosiahnu, že Technická knižnica musí opusti budovu a nové vedenie čaká príjemná zdedená úloha – obsadi nové priestory.
K tým prijímaným počtom študentov. Mali sme systém numerus clausus. To znamená, že sme vopred povedali, že čiara bude na kóte povedzme 150. Ale kde je záruka, že ten 151 by nakoniec nebol lepším absolventom ako ten 150-ty o bod pred ním, ba dokonca aj lepší ako 99-ty...lepší o 30 bodov. A ako „spravodlivo“ zariadi, ak 55 uchádzačov okolo čiary má rozdiel v hodnotení +_ 4 body, z toho na kóte 150 je desa s rovnakým počtom. V takomto systéme sa tiež môže sta, že posledných 20 sa prijme, lebo sú nad čiarou, hoci majú aj pramálo bodov..a v podstate nemajú predpoklady...Keďže vždy bol počet študentov určitým kritériom financovania, tak samozrejme bolo vhodné, aby systémovo prijatí študenti neubúdali...tak sme mali takmer pravidelne taký počet prijatých, ako bol počet absolventov. Pozoruhodný unikát, ktorému sa hovorilo kvalita výsledkov štúdia. Tento stav bolo podža mňa potrebné zmeni a prija inú filozofiu prijímania. Zvýši toleranciu okolo pôvodných kót, ale súčasne zvýši aj náročnos štúdia tak, aby sa prijímačky stali dverami na štúdium a štúdium ozajstnou skúškou opodstatnenosti obdrža na záver diplom. Teda od kvantity ku kvalite, od pohodlnosti v štúdiu k súaživosti , konkurencii...A toto asi zlyhalo, učitelia učia po starom, mnohí doslova učia namiesto toho, aby viedli k štúdiu. A tak sú nervózni, lebo zvládnu tožký počet učením je ozaj ažké...Nenastal ten úbytok študentov, ktorý by sledoval krivku iných škôl. Ale upozorňujem, že úbytok nebol ciežom, neboli a nie sú žiadne plány „kožkých vyhodi“. Skôr vidíme, že študenti si uvedomili damoklov meč nad hlavami a snažia sa. To je v podstate potešitežné. Teraz len treba, aby boli peniaze, žudia a priestory. Na STU stále platí starý rozpis budov, hoci počty študentov na fakultách sa výrazne zmenili...Ak chce ma rektor silnú univerzitu, mal by podporova tie fakulty a programy, ktoré dokážu udrža záujem, pretože na nich môže stava univerzita.
A bol aj iný dôvod väčšieho počtu prijímaných na FA. Tí neprijatí išli študova architektúru cez pozemné stavby na Stavebnej fakulte. Tam je veža skvelých odborníkov vo svojich odboroch, ale ani jediný habilitovaný docent alebo profesor v odbore architektúra alebo urbanizmus ( tak, ako to žiada akreditácia). Takže sme sa, snáď aj v záujme architektúry, rozhodli skúsi to s časou z nich u nás. Súvaha je taká, že sa dá vhodne použi dvostupňové štúdium k tomu, aby snáď menej úspešný absolvent Bc. štúdia na FA ukončil druhý stupeň na SvF a naopak, ak sa na SvF dakto výraznejšie vygeneruje smerom k architektúre, aby mal možnos uchádza sa o ukončenie štúdia u nás. To je podstatný zmysel celej hry, ktorá sa volá dvojstupňové štúdium.
Ešte k súčasným výsledkom prijímacieho konania. t.r. Novú koncepciu prijímačiek pripravilo ešte staré vedenie., ale my sa nemusíme medzi sebou hra na nových a starých (o.i. dvaja kžúčoví prodekani ostali). Ale počet tých, ktorí vyhoveli nebol tým numerus clausus, ale len tožkí skutočne urobili skúšku, takže žiaden zásah vedenia. Ale je otázkou, či tento počet, ktorí úplne objektívne vyšiel, uživí školu, či sa to nepodpíše negatívne na jej rozpočte. Či architektúru nebudú živi Krajinári a Priestoroví plánovači, ktorých prijatie vyšlo lepšie... Ak štát bude realizova politiku financovania závislú na počte študentov...nebudem predbieha, čo robia iné školy, aby ten počet nakoniec dosiahli. A prijíma na „odvolačky“ a tak doplni stav sa nedá, pretože dnes je to konanie a preskúmaní, či sa neporušil zákon a teda každé iné číslo ako NULA v „odvolačkách“ je priznaním, kožkokrát sa porušil zákon...Ak máte známych na MŠ, v parlamente, lobujte, aby architektúra mala iné koeficienty ekonomickej náročnosti a aby nebola na úrovni pedagogických škôl. Taký je pohžad ministerstva a spoločnosti na význam vzdelávania v architektúre.
K porovnávaniu s FA ČVUT Praha a FA VUT Brno – poznám detailne situáciu, je tam podstatne viac prostriedkov. Asistent v Brne má taký priestor, ako u nás nemá profesor. U nás architektúra s titulom Ing. arch. (ak chce archiekt projektova budovy, iný titul ako ižinier ma ani nemôže) nie je financovaná ako umelecké štúdium, až vlani sa nám podarilo presadi, aby aspoň dizajn s novým titulom Mgr.art. tak zaradený bol ( v prostredí STU bol pôvodne s titulom Ing. na Strojníckej fakulte..). Bratislavská VŠVU ( nemyslím Katedru architektúry) nás nikdy nepodporila v záujme o inú štruktúru financovania architektúry a dizajnu, tých pár stratových dizajnérov a architektov bohato vykompenzovali 4x (!) vyššie financované iné odbory...Tak trocha aj konkurenčný prístup. Ak sa obdivuje, že s pedagógom na inej škole ( v SR) sa dá dohodnú, aby prišiel vtedy ak to študent potrebuje, tak to sa deje čiastočne aj u nás, ale v podstate je to demaskovanie absencie systému ( v Nemecku nemožné).
Týmto chcem poukáza na niektoré vonkajšie vplyvy determinujúce kvalitu vysokoškolského vzdelávania. Samozrejme, mnohé závisí aj od prístupu učitežov, ale nakoniec aj študentov. Asi len 25% chodí na ateliéry systematicky pripravená, hoci sa týždenná výmera podstatne skrátila najmä preto, aby sa otvoril ptriestor pre vlastné štúdium (my sme mali 35 hodín...dnes je 25...aj preto sa z kedysi poslucháčov stali študenti...). Študenti ale viac pracujú vo firmách, ako študujú. Budova po 15-tej zíva prázdnotou, hoci ako čítam, je záujem o vytváranie priestoru k tomu, aby mohli študenti medzi sebou diskutova. Prechod na laptopový systém tvorby v podstate odstránil tvorivého a diskusného ducha ateliérov, ktorý bol pre túto školu vlastný. Napriek kritike (nehovorím, že aj nie oprávnenej) škola dosahuje svoje výsledky v porovnaní s uznávanou konkurenciou, svedčia o tom umiestnenia prác študentov FA, referencie z mobilít... Tiež nie je známe, že absolventi FA by mali problémy s nadobudnutým vzdelaním pri výkone povolania doma alebo v zahraničí.
Aj keď dnešné štúdium je založené na tom, že je to predovšetkým študent, kto musí zobra zodpovednos za vzdelanie do rúk (vlastných, je to jeho vzdelanie), iste má aj škola vytvára čo najlepšie podmienky pre štúdium. Sám vidím, že mnohé niekedy nie sú vecou peňazí. Akurát akoby nebolo dos žudí, ktorí by pochopili, že to čo nás obklopuje, je našim prostredím v ktorom pracujeme, vyučujeme a študujeme. A prostredie vychováva, to naše zatiaž určite nie. Hoci niekedy stačí aj málo. K tomu je potrebné, aby to pochopili dve strany – učitelia aj študenti. Odtiaž by som začal.
Pozdravujem a želám všetkým úspešný letný semester.

Dátum: 18.2.2007
Od: lukasK
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
no ja tam sice nestudujem ale samozrejme dufam ze budete mat matiku a dokonca aj deskriptivu...ved co to chcete byt za technici...

Dátum: 16.2.2007
Od: ondro
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
zobrali len 200, a budu mat este matiku?
inak novy dekan sa zda byt v pohode, myslim ze mu zalezi na nasej skole, konecne

Dátum: 16.2.2007
Od: igor
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
plne suhlasim s dush.....
je to pekne vidno.. aj tu.. najpr vsetci maju co povedata a potom ked sa pytam v skole kto pojde so mnou do toho tak vsetci stiahnu chvosty... a im to naramne vyhovuje ao to je.. a profaci to vedia preto su si taki isti ze mozu robit asi vsetko.... (poniektori aby som nekrivdil...)

Dátum: 13.2.2007
Od: dush
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
...tato fakulta fakt z roka na rok straca uroven...mna osobne irituje aj necinnost samotnych studentov...ktori so stiahnutym chvostom placu nad rozliatym mliekom...a cakaju,ze sa nieco samo zmeni a pohne k lepsiemu...a to je ta nasa mentalita...je mi zle,tak este ohnem chrbat...no bez akcie tazko cakat reakciu...hlavne na FA STU!!!


Dátum: 9.2.2007
Od: Igor
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
Vidim, ze nove vedenie pochopilo, ze niekedy menej je viac... som rad, ze sa tento rok zobralo na skolu menej ako 200 ludi do rocnika, cim sa konecne skola vracia k cislam s pred troch rokov:)
som rad, ze pochopili, ze dalsi 300kusovy napor by skola nezvladla...
a som rad novemu dekanovy FA STU konecne sa svita na lepsie casy... tak sa chopme sance:)
oplati sa bojovat kvoli fakt dobrym pedagogom ktory su aj na nasej skole FA...

Dátum: 9.2.2007
Od: lukasK
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
alebo by stalo za to zmenit model studia.....ved aj na to su ludia, ktori to analyzuju...

Dátum: 8.2.2007
Od: lucija
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
mozno by igor mohol vyskusat aj kosice,,,,,,nemusis sediet na schodoch ,,mas vlastny atelier,,,pred koncom semestra tam mozes byt nonstop,,,,,no a co este by som dodala,,,,a pedagog pride skoro vzdy kedy chces,...mno

Dátum: 8.2.2007
Od: ono
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
ja mam za dva roky dobry pocit z fa stu, vsade sa najdu spiny ale aj v pohode ludia, treba si vsimat len dobrych, robit si svoju pracu a nemas problem

Dátum: 7.2.2007
Od: Vavro
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
Stale nerozumiem, co Vam na tej bratislavskej FASTU prekaza. zly pedagog na ateliery ci na cvikach? Napr. v brne si veduceho atelieru vyberate sami uz v prvom rocniku. Za tri roky musite splnit niekolko modulov a je skoro jedno v akom poradi. Jednoducho na co a koho mate chut to si sami vyberete. taky maly TRH:-))) (mozte vsak zachovat postupnost maly dom, dom a miesto, urbac, priemysel, volne zadanie) Plusom brnenskej fakulty, co sa mi zda, ze bratislavska nema je system intranetu, elektronickeho prihlasovania atelierov, skolsky e-mail pre kazdeho studenta,skolske disky s vlastnymi dokumentami, elektronicky index, www stud.stranky. Vsetky nalezitosi vybavim cez net. Ked nieco potrebujem to tam najdem, informacie od pedagogov, studijne materialy, cez mail sa dorozumiem s kazdym studentom alebo rocnikom....
Niekedy si to ani neuvedomujem, ale zrejme dokazu taketo "vychytavky" poriadne ulahcit studium:-D

Dátum: 6.2.2007
Od: Karol
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
To teda hej,v tom mas pravdu.

Dátum: 5.2.2007
Od: Zuzana
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
Karolko ano pletiem sa, lebo sa na prispevkoch pobavim. Skola je dolezita, ale je clovek v praxi,zisti, ze skola je len velmi mala ciastka celej mozaiky.Moze za to skola, ze architekt castokrat vysedava nad projektom od svitu do mrku, ze casto nahant peniaze, ktore intvestori nechcu platit, alebo ze musi svoju tvorivost podriadovat ludom, ktori nemaju prehlad o architekture, alebo im chyba predstavivost? Za to skola nemoze.Komu co brani napriek tymto problemom mat architekturu rad?

Dátum: 4.2.2007
Od: emo
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
este ma napadlo: ked ma dnes chce niekto podrazit, tak je to o peniazoch, asi si nevie inak zarobit, maximalne raz sa popalim a viac sa nemusim s nim stretnut
ked sa niekto sprava neferovo k svojmu studentovi, tak je to o com, a nestretnut sa je nemozne
ale casy sa menia, aspon najake pozitiva - zu sociku to mali pekne dievcata tazke,nejaky tiezpedagog si ich vyhliadol a ked neboli povolne, dostali moznost polepsit sa o rok
mna vsak mrzi toto: ked to nasi rodicia povazovali za nepriatelne, nas to vytacalo rovnako, ako je mozne ze sa nam decka vracaju zo skoly s rovnakymi problemami

Dátum: 4.2.2007
Od: emo
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
da sa zial iba suhlasit, ked si premietam spatne skolske casy - situacia u mnohych profakov bola zufala
diskusia studenti - profesori? kto to skusal v ovela jednoduchsich veciach ako je system vyucby zazil vela krat toto: jednoducha otazka - odpoved typu to ste predsa brali tam a tam to by ste mali vediet, alebo VS je samostudium, vysledok: ziadne dalsie ,,blbe" otazky
ked som ucil atelier : skupina bola rozdelena na tretiny ja som mal 6 ludi kolegovia po 7, cviko travalo 3x45 min, vzdy skor ako som stihol skonzultovat prveho cloveka(cca 15 min) pocul som dovideniaaaa, prvy kolega a hned po nom prva tretina mizli v dverach, obcas niekto ostal aby sa ma nieco spytal
tiez som skusal veci trochu zmenit: mal som jednu neziskovu akciu - benefit,riesil som tam interier, bolo treba este graficky ponat steny - malby pre deti,
odporucal som klientovi vzhladom na situaciu oslovit skolu, tieto veci by predsa mali fungovat, vysledok -
-nakoniec sa to zrealizovalo co som sa fakt ze divil
vdaka dievcata
-pocas pracovnych stretnuti s dievcatami som lutoval, ze maju koli mne problemy, uz take veci nerobim
-jedna holka, velmi nadana pocas toho semestra (nie pocas skuskoveho) opustila skolu

Dátum: 4.2.2007
Od: cyril citron
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
a este k teme: Mame otvorene hranice, takze ked niekto nie je spokojny, nech sa paci, na svete je vela rozne zameranych skol architektury. Aj ked samozrejme situacia v nasom a nielen architektonickom skolstve je zufala...

Dátum: 4.2.2007
Od: cyril citron
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
lukasK: Dakujem za prekvapivu odpoved, to som naozaj nevedel :) Softver sa pouziva samozrejme pri komplikovanejsich napr. polygonovych geometriach, pri vzpriahnutych konstrukciach, atypickych fasadach (typu CCTV v Pekingu) kde softvfer dokaze usetrit mnozstvo materialu... Samozrejme ze architekt nikdy nic take nebude robit, ale je cool ked dokazes napr. pattern fasady vygenerovat vpodstate vedeckym sposobom. Ale to som trosku mimo temy, takze pardon.

Dátum: 4.2.2007
Od: architekt
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
"kajo",
tuto tvoju vetu povazujem za myslienku mesiaca:
"studuje sa mnoho predmetov, ktore sa mi zdaju nepotrebne pre architekta (napr. taka statika, predmet nepatri medzi najtahsie, ale pochybujem ze so ziskanymi vedomostami si budeme v praxi riesit statiku sami...."

Dátum: 4.2.2007
Od: architekt
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
Velmi zaujimava tema, ja osobne som promoval na FAstu v roku 2002. Mozem povedat ze som mal zo skoly podobne pocity ako Igor, ktory temu otvoril. V tom case nebolo take mnozstvo studentov prijatych na studium. Pravdepodobne je momentalne situacia este "tesnesia" ako bola prednedavnom. Absolutne nesuhlasim s tym, ze skola by nemala ovplyvnovat, ako niekto predomnou napisal, nas postoj k tejto profesii: Prave skola je ta , ktora ma prvotny vplyv. Skola zacina buduceho architekta "obrusovat" ako prva... a ak je skola zlym "brusicom" potom tazko vyjde dobry vysledok. Prostredie, system, pedagogovia /nie vsetci/, atd.su velmi prehnite.
Pan Kovac, s vami som sa mal tu cest stretnut v ramci atelierovej tvorby. Ste jeden z mala na koho meno si po rokoch spominam celkom jasne - a v dobrom. Ale na mena niektorych Vasich kolegov si bud nespominam alebo spomenut nechcem... Aj preto mi Vas apel na otvorenu diskusiu v ramci fakulty pripada zbytocny. Mnoho mojich spoluziakov a kamaratov pocas studia sa "modlilo" len aby mali niektore seminare a tvorby za sebou. A to z dovodu pedagogov... A co je najhorsie tieto katedry patrili a patria medzi tie, ktore su podla mna najdolezitejsie a urite aj najzaujimavejsie.
Neverim a o tom ma nikto nepresvedci ze isti vplyvni veduci pracovnici ci uz katedier alebo celej fakulty, by "pozvanku" do diskusie prijali... Niektorym ludom vo vseobecnosti hierarchia velmi vyhovuje... Myslim, ze maju od demokracie velmi daleko. Je to pochopitelne, boli prihnojovany predrevolucnym hnojivom a zrazu presli na demokraticku stravu. Na to treba silny zaludok.
Vsetkym zelam menej stresu a menej zlych myslienok. Ved nie sme na svete len pre robotu, no nie ??? :)))




Dátum: 4.2.2007
Od: kajo
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
ako znenavidiet architekturu- skor by som povedal ako znenavidiet FA STU. kazdy kto tu studuje alebo studoval sa urcite stretol s nekvalitnym pedagogom (nevie odpovedat na otazky, rozprava "architektonickym" jazykom ale nikto mu nerozumie a on je spokojny, aky je frajer a my aki sme tupi....atd) da sa to prezit. studuje sa mnoho predmetov, ktore sa mi zdaju nepotrebne pre architekta (napr. taka statika, predmet nepatri medzi najtahsie, ale pochybujem ze so ziskanymi vedomostami si budeme v praxi riesit statiku sami....atd) da sa prezit. co mna osobne hneva najviac je atelier. nosny predmet studia, ktory student riesi cely semester. nechapem ako v rovnakom rocniku moze student riesit na ateliery most pre pesich a druhy student riesi rekonstrukciu obrovskeho cukrovaru, kde sa nachadza kniznica, podzemne garaze, kongresove saly... atd. podla mna sa to neda porovnavat. to ze student nespava posledne noci aby stihol podotahovat vsetko na obhajobu asi kazdy viete. no to co mna nasiera uplne najviac na tejto skole je samotna obhajoba, na ktorej ma student cca 5 minut na to aby obahjil celosemestralny projekt, ved to je uplne chore. aj to z tych piatich minut vas hodnotiaci 3 minuty drbe, ze kde mate celkovu kotu na detaile. a ked chcete este nieco dodat tak povie- dalsi uz som hladny. co dodat FA STU
posudte sami

Dátum: 4.2.2007
Od: lukasK
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
a co som myslel..."so vsetkym co k tomu patri"? no napriklad, ked chces dimenzovat, tak to vies s kalkulackou a ceruzkou...aspon priblizne. Ked riesis detail, tak si ho vymyslis a bude spravny. Nejde o to ci clovek vie vsetko naspamat, ale o to ci to aspon teoreticky moze fungovat, a na to PC nesluzi. Na to sluzi hlava - to je to trosku opomijane technicke myslenie.

Dátum: 4.2.2007
Od: lukasK
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
co myslis pod pojmom "aplikovanie softwaru"? lebo...software je sice pekna vec...ale nikoho este nespasil.

Dátum: 4.2.2007
Od: vlastna skusenost
Predmet: preco sa zamilovat do VSVU
..ak si nestihal na FA STU,tak si isiel na VSVU, kde ta zoberu bez prijimaciek do nizsieho rocnika.

Dátum: 4.2.2007
Od: Karol
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
Zuzana ty sa sem co pleties?

Dátum: 3.2.2007
Od: Zuzana
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
Mili studenti!
Este ste len na skole a uz ste znechuteni. Ak mam pravdu povedat v zamestnani je to castokrat este ovela horsie. Ked som robila na "zapade"castokrat som stretla s urazanim, neopravnenou kritikou, neskutocnym stresom ...atd . A ako samostatne cinna sa zase musim obracat o zakazky a o ich zaplatenie.

Dátum: 3.2.2007
Od: cyril citron
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
lukasK: co k tomu patri?

mimochodom na VSVU od minuleho roku funguje u stvrtakov komplexny projekt, ktoremu sefuje doc. Sabah Shawkat(jeden z emigrantov z FA STU) a tento predmet je zatial velmi uspesny a inovativny. aplikouje sa napr. pouzivanie softveru... pocul som ze tento rok boli hostujuci pedagogovia zo Stavebnej Fakulty pri obhajobe KP na VSVU VELMI prekvapeny...

Dátum: 3.2.2007
Od: lukasK
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
inzineri

Dátum: 3.2.2007
Od: lukasK
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
no ked chcete architekturu o akej ste snivali...tak co ste nesli na VSVU alebo inu skolu vytvarneho zamerania....ale potom by ste boli umelci a nie inziniery, so vsetkym co k tomu patri

Dátum: 3.2.2007
Od: Igi
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
Tak na potlacanie kreativity je dobra aj FA ČVUT

Dátum: 3.2.2007
Od: BKO
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
este si zabudol pana valla zo suterenu a bufetarku aby bol zoznam kompletny. sorry ale si uplne mimo!!!

Dátum: 2.2.2007
Od: robo
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
Igor, sklamal si ma.

Dátum: 2.2.2007
Od: Eraz
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
..si sa zblaznil?To koho si tam vymenoval?!!!!

Dátum: 2.2.2007
Od: Igor
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu.... REAKCIA
Dakujem zatial vsetkym, ze ste sa ozvali a dali von zo seba svoj nazor. Urcite chcem tuto debatu rozvirit aj na akademickej pode FA STU ked pride ten pravy cas, ale najprv som chcel zistit, ci aj niekto iny zdiela podobne nazory, viem ze mnohi studenti si to myslia, ale boja sa, maju strach aby im nahodou niekto neukrivdil za to ze prejavili svoje nazory a dotkli sa tak niektorych pedagogov alebo strnuleho chodu FA, a tiez nechapem ked komisia na obhajobach si ani nepozrie kompletnu pracu, vyslovy verdikt, a pri hodnoteni nie je schopna sa pozriet cloveku do oci.... sa Atelier je ten najdolezitejsi predmet... ktory nas ma posuvad dalej...a ukazat na nase chyby, aby sme ich v praxy uz nespravili...
Potmo sa necudujme, ze studenti si radsej povedia, ze sak nejako bude, sak vydrzia a nebudu si robit problemy a budu ticho sak ich sa to v podstate netyka...
Viem, ze na nasej skole su aj ludia, ktori su pedagogovia aj dusou aj telom a tym velmi pekne dakujem... je ich nanestastie velmi malo ale stoja za to.... /Tuzinsky, Ilkovic, Sarafin, Finka, Koncekova a ini...ak som niekoho nespomenul a pravom patri sem ospravedlnujem sa, nebol som v kontakte uplne so vsetkymi/
Viem ze problemy su vsade, ci na skole, alebo nakoniec aj v praxy...ale treba ich riesit, a zda sa mi, ze to bude tym, ze architekti vobec nedrzia spolu, nevedia sa podrzat a co je uz vrchol, ze komora architektov vobec nebrani a nehaji prava "svojich deti".... :( mozno preto, ze skola ich vychovava k tomu, aby boli samostatni a bojovali sami za seba... a nepomahali si, sak aspon odpadne konkurencia... k tomu ich tlaci nasa skola bohuzial podvedme:( a cim dalej tym viac.....
trapi ma tento problem, lebo cim dalej sa stretavam s nazormy studentov, ked sa ich niekto opyta ako sa studuje na FA STU a ze ci tam maju ist...? alebo kam...? tak v poslednej dobe je odpoved, ze na FA STU nie... ze je to hroza... ze tam zabijaju kreativitu a nicia mysel, ze je tam psycho.... je to smutne, lebo za par rokov mozu nasu skolu zavriet, vsetci oddidu alebo sa tam radsej ani neprihlasia.... a to uz nebude sranda... potom mozme uz naozaj Slovensku architekturu zabalit... potom bola asi zbytocna namaha Belusa a dalsich dobrych architektov.... nemyslite???? to len tak, ze ako to zacina vnimat mlada generacia mozno buducich architektov, pokial to vsetci nevzdaju..... lepsie povedane nepojdu studovata, posobit inde... pretoze to uz nabera takyto spad.....

PS.: dufam ze sa to pohne nejakym smerom.... aby sme o par rokov mohli povedat, ze aj Slovensko ma svoju architekturu, ktoru navrhli Slovaci a nie zahranicie.... a ze architekti nie su len babky v rukach investorov, lobingu, a casu... /ktory je extremne kratky na poriadny a kvalitny projekt.../

Dátum: 1.2.2007
Od: bohus kovac
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
vazene studentstvo, pozorne citam vasu diskusiu. mnohe veci urcite trapia aj nas pedagogov, budte si isti. Mnohe veci (pocty studentov, pedagogovia, budova...) su na dlhsiu debatu. Najlepsia by bola diskusia na skole. Co Vam brani ju zorganizovat? Ved je to Vase studium. Mate zastupcov v senate, aj tam sa da vela povedat...Ked som bol prodekan, zaviedol som ciernu skrinku, za pat rokov asi len desat listkov. Aj tu sa da diskutovat, ale treba najma v skole. Tato diskusia patri tam.
Pozdravujem a drzim Vam palce v skuskovom obdobi.

Dátum: 1.2.2007
Od: ....................
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
................aby nebola iba stavbárinou s lepšou grafikou

Dátum: 1.2.2007
Od: robo
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
Pozícia pedagóga je v týchto reáliách plná paradoxov. Nesúhlasím s tým, že keď niekto nazve pedagóga teoretikom bez realizácií, znamená to neschopného človeka. Keby nás učili naozaj teoretici, tak to beriem ako zdroj impulzov na posun vlastného myslenia. Žiaž tu ide skôr o nezáujem venova sa študentovi, poprípade o povrchné konzultácie zapríčinené spôsobom fungovania pedagógov na tejto škole a podobne. Včera dávali na STV2 dokument o suprematistovi Rudolfovi Sýkorovi. Komentoval svoju pedagogickú skúsenos asi tak, že sa snaží dobrého študenta nepokazi, skôr mu iba pomôc s technickými problémami realizácie zámeru. Rozumné, ale je tam predpoklad samostatne mysliaceho študenta. A nech si hovorí, kto chce, čo chce, u nás sú tvorivý študenti v extrémnej minorite. Veď sme prijímaný na základe vopred určeného čísla a nie podža výsledkov prijímačiek. Jeden rok by sme mali sto študentov a iný dvadsa. Kedže takýto prístup má svoje rezervy, riešením by boli pevnejšie kritériá na absolvovanie ateliérov. Tu narážam na problém absencie pevnejšieho postoja hodnotiacich. Veď vlastne stačí dodrža formálne kritériá a môže to by aj áčko. Nejaká práca naviac /tá tvorivá/ sa viacmenej akceptuje, ale nie je v polohe dôležitejšieho kritéria. A architektúra ak nemá by len remeslom vyžaduje tú nadprácu, aby nebola iba stavbárinou s lepšou grafikou. źudí možno nie je nutné na ateliéroch priamo vyhadzova, ale určite rozlíši medzi dobrou a nekvalitnou robotou. Nie je na škodu, že bude viac žudí vzdelaných v tomto smere, ale je nekorektné živi u nekreatívneho študenta ilúziu, že raz bude robi fantastické veci. Skôr to chce podpori jeho predpoklady, aby sa mohol trochu cíti ako človek a možno príde na to, že svoje schopnosti nemôže naplno rozvinú práve na tejto škole. Smola, že naplno to tu môžeme len na základe vlastnej iniciatívy.

Okrem kreativity sú určite ďalšie predpoklady, ktoré sú nutné na to, aby to bolo zmysluplné. Neviem či viacerí, máme ten pocit, že najkreatívnejší žudia odchádzajú s tejto školy ako prví?

Dátum: 1.2.2007
Od: sv
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
igor, ono je to podla mna LEN o mentalite naroda. Ked uz spominas ten reich, staci sa pozriet, co rakusaci robia a co robime my. Myslim, na poli architektury. Vidis ten rozdiel. Ja som bol tiez znechuteny studiom, pristupom vyucujucich aj spoluziakov. Teraz mi je zle z investorov a kolegov. Cest vynimkam.

Dátum: 1.2.2007
Od: Džordž
Predmet: 1/2!
tzv. pedagogovia mozu byt radi ze maju aspon nejaku robotu, ved su to len teoretici,neschopni adaptovat sa realite.Ja osobne by som im PLATY ZNIZIL O POLOVICU a mozu byt radi (aj to sa mi zda za ich odvedene vykony vela).
Vsetka cest vynimka,tym sa vopred ospravedlnujem.

Dátum: 31.1.2007
Od: emo
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
igor a ostatni
klobuk dole, priznam sa, ze podobne veci ma na skole netrapili, stretol som sa s problemami trochu inymi, ktore suviseli ako sa neskor ukazalo s mojim vyzorom
,,fetaka,, ale aj z toho je zrejma ubohost niektorych jednotlivcov - pedagogov
problem, ktory odhalujes som spoznal az z druhej strany - ako pedagog - paradoxne stale s rovnakym vyzorom z coho je zas zrejma skutocna ludska sila a nezabednenost inych jednotlivcov pedagogov
co som tada zistil ako ucitel priamo medzi ucitelmi
byt dobrym ucitelom je umenie, a zial velmi malo z nich sa chce tomu aspon priblizit
studentom mozu dat ovela viac ako im davaju, ale za to su predsa plateni aby vychovali odbornikov
nechajte si dristy o malych platoch, ja tvrdim kto svoju pracu flaka, bude flakat aj ked mu zdvojnasobia plat
qalitni pedagogovia nie su, alebo minimum
naco plakat nad rozliatym mliekom
nikto nemoze za Vas prezivat svoj sen, vsak mate intraky, kluby, ked nie si ich urobte, ci co vlastne?
a preco by schody neboli dobre, pokial ja viem v najtazsich podmienkach vznikaju najlepsie veci
znenavidiet architekturu nemozes, mozes znenavidiet seba, ucitela
na skole by si ale mal zistit o com vlastne architektura je a niekto by ti to mal vysvetlit a ked to ten niekto nechce alebo nevie...
takze sa na to vyprdni a pouc sa na mne: ja som sa chcel vykaslat na skolu koli jednemu zakomplexovanemu chlapikovi ale koli inym sqelym ludom som ju dokoncil, dnes robim to co som studoval s nezmenenym vyzorom fetaka, vraha a neviem koho, a som tu


Dátum: 31.1.2007
Od: Zuzana
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
Ked ma architekturu naozaj niekto rad, neda sa tak lahko ovplyvnit okolim.Ona za to nemoze. Stat sa naozaj architektom treba prekonat viacero problemov. Vzdavat sa uz na skole?

Dátum: 31.1.2007
Od: robo
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
Igor, žiaž mᚠpravdu. Ja som na túto školu išiel tiež s vežkými očakávaniami a postupne som sledoval len upadjúcu tendenciu vlastnej kreativity. Môžem si za to sám? Alebo mám s toho niekoho obviňova? Prijali ma ako 4 naj. A tak som sa aj správal. Svojhlavo a s prehžadom. Končilo sa to uplakanými doktorandkami z obytiek, ktoré nevedeli vystᝠtrochu vyprofilovaného človeka. A keďže človek nemôže dlho bojova s veternými mlynmi, tak som trochu ubral. Nevedome som zmenil priority. Už som nemal záujem ukazova ignorantom ako sa veci dajú robi, keď sa chce. Na to potrebuješ spoluhráča. Ale to je ďalší problém. Zistíš, že ostatný sú na tom ešte horšie. A pedagóga si niekedy nevyberieš. Môžme si za to sami?
Skončíš školu a zistíš, že keby si študoval niekde inde tak si úúúúúúplne inde. Jednoducho niečo je tu fakt prehnité. Zabehnuté konvencie, časom degenerované ustavičnými modifikáciami štúdijného programu. Konvencie dávajú životu poriadok, ale občas ich treba slušne nakopnú aby sa veci pohli ďalej. Takže je to úpadok alebo iba stagnácia??? Hlavne treba robi všetko preto, aby si sa necítil by obeou. Drž sa.

Dátum: 31.1.2007
Od: Ivan
Predmet: RE: Ako znenavidiet architekturu....
Pozri sa..asistent na VS napr v usa ma plat cca v prepocte 250.000 sk...na slovensku radsej netipujem...Ako si maju studeni vazit ucitelov ked maju plat ako cistic vyrobnych pasov..Ako si maju vazit pedagogov ktorych si nevazi tento stat a nic pre neho neznamenaju..Potom maju tito ludia taky isty pristup ku skole ku studentom a to co ich nuti brat na prijimackach neunosne mnozstvo studentov je stat..keby mali dostatok penazi tak sa berie rocne 50 ludi..nemyslite si..kedy naposledy tato pseudovlada podporila vystavbu niecoho ineho ako sklenenych kociek pre prasata v sakach..kedy sa naposledy, alebo kedy najblizsie postavi nejaka budova sluziaca skolstvu, zdravotnictvu a pod..nikto nepozna odpoved...takze suhlasim s tebou Igor