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Kto mi poradí, aký je najlepší program na vizualizácie. Nechcem nič náročné, momentálne potrebujem len niečo na základné predstavenie objektu.
Kreslím 2D na počítači - v mojom prípade je lepšie kúpi nadstavbu k programu, alebo kúpi nejaký lacnejší iný softvér - aj keď budem údaje zadáva 2x. Zatiaž mám len "menšie" projekty na RD. Pracujem v Allplane.


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Od: Alan Švec
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Od: ochranca
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Od: ochranca
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Dátum: 24.2.2009
Od: Martin Stohl
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Dátum: 19.2.2009
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Dátum: 9.2.2009
Od: zuzka bielike
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pravda je aj to ze ked vidim uroven vizualizacii niektorych "studii" je mi zle a este horsie ked za to chcu aj peniaze. ale fakt je aj to, ze robit jednu miestnost tyzden, aby bola dokonala - to je pre predstavu zbytocne.

Dátum: 19.1.2009
Od: Zuzana
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Dátum: 18.1.2009
Od: render
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Od: Zuzana
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Od: zuzka bielike
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
ja pouzivam Arcon, som s nim spokojna, vystupy sa samozrejme nedaju porovnat s maxom, ale ukazte mi na slovensku klienta, ktory je ochotny zaplatit za vizualizaciu 40 000 ... pretoze niekde sa musia odrazit naklady na legalny 3ds max, plus vsetka podpora, takisto hardwarove vybavenie ... u arconu zalezi na tom v akych je rukach, je urceny pre interiery, ma velmi dobru podporu, male hw naroky, pracuje sa s nim rychlo a prehladne a chlapci sa snazia zlepsovat. takze ja by som odporucala arcon, navzdory niektorym komentarom, pretoze moj nazor je ze klient si v prvom rade chce zariadit interier, a nie si vesat majstrovsku vizualizaciu na stenu :)

Dátum: 9.6.2008
Od: jelka menova
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
ja tiez robim pre jeden londynsky atelier - sketchup je tu jednotka, hlavne rychly, ak treba slusne vizky davaju ich robit do syrie a rano ich uz maju na stole :DDDD

Dátum: 27.5.2008
Od: Viktor Lukács
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
čaute nevedely bi ste my pomoct kde móžem zohna licenciu na Allplan 2006

Dátum: 21.3.2008
Od: pm
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
:)

Dátum: 15.3.2008
Od: Tina
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
Možno bz Ti stačilo aj toto.
http://www.ajshop.cz/Terasoft/3D-Architekt-pro-Vas-dum-a-byt_g136.html
"Velkí architekti" nech sa nepohoršujú. Každý nemá sto litrov.

Dátum: 14.3.2008
Od: mdl
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
ahoj, asi to nie je presne to, co chce brona, ale skusali ste niekto blender?
http://www.blender.org/features-gallery/features

je zadarmo. aj ked neviem, ako dobre sa hodi na architekturu..

Dátum: 18.2.2008
Od: juj
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
Juj, velmi ma to mrzi ale ja som nechcel ubit diskusiu. Chcel som len povedat co si myslim o softveroch. Prepacte ak som bol prilis kategoricky.

Dátum: 22.1.2008
Od: juj
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
Precital som si vsetky prispevky a priznavam sa ze som zaskoceny. Ide o architekturu (urbanizmus,designe, krajinotvorbu atd.) alebo o vizualizacie? Ja sam robim na Arcpluse. Ked chcem dobru vizku pouzijem Lightwave. Ide o to co chceme: ak skicu - jednoznacne Sketchup, ak prepracovany projekt - Arcplus (nielen od pôdorysu k 3D ale aj naopak od hmotovky k pôdorysu co dokaze hadam iba Vectorworks) - je zaujimave podotknut, ze nikto sa o nich ani nezmienil - ak ide o vizku odporucam Lightwave (cinéma 4D)lebo su lacnejsie a lepsie ako 3Dmax, ktory je pre komplexné animacie, ktoré arch. projekt az tak nepotrebuje. Pripomeniem iba, ze pre mna akakolvek pekna perska nenahradi dynamicku vizualizaciu lebo okolo persky sa nemôzeme otocit ale okolo architektury sa musime aby sme ju pochopili lebo to je objekt a nie jednostranny pohlad.

Dátum: 13.1.2008
Od: Eugen Korda
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
revit vyzera ok. a rhinoceros mam rad.

Dátum: 13.1.2008
Od: voloda
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
tak ako to tu citam, tak vidim ze softvare Bentley architecture je viacmenej "za vodou" ale to by s nim museli asi niektori z Vas skusit pracovat. Najvacsia nevyhoda je asi cena a slaba reklama na nasom trhu, no niektore kvalitne veci nepotrebuju reklamu...

Dátum: 12.1.2008
Od: staronovy
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
cena prehnana nieje len platy su nizke, v usa stoji maxko 9 3500$ co v pohodoe zatiahnes z mesacneho platu.

Dátum: 11.1.2008
Od: PetoAdam
Predmet: Arcon?
Takže arcon je pre nášho staronového špecialistu hnoj.
Vieš poznám aj žudí čo si spravia vizošku aj v 3D home architekt čo stojí 3900,-Sk. Arcon9 je tak 30 000,- a na tú cenu vie dos, hlavne má tisíce zariadovacích predmetov a objektov, a v nemecku masívnu podporu, a dá sa spravi export pre 3d studio. Preto cenu 168 000,- pre revit alebo archicad považujem za prehnanú.

Dátum: 11.1.2008
Od: staronovy
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
no taka je realia na slovensku, inde to ludi ani len nenapadne. slovensko je v tomato a nielen v tomto daleko za opicami. voci diskutovanej teme je to ale irelevantny prispevok.

Dátum: 10.1.2008
Od: arch
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
http://www.sme.sk/c/3670704/Za-nelegalny-softver-mozete-zaplatit.html

"...Odhalenie je najpravdepodobnejšie u firiem, ktoré pracujú so špecifickým softvérom. Napríklad architektonické kancelárie či grafické alebo dizajnérske štúdiá. ..."

Dátum: 10.1.2008
Od: staronovy
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
http://www.arcon3d.cz/arcon9_profesional.htm, toto si hadam nemyslel vazne ze?

Dátum: 10.1.2008
Od: Adam Plesnik
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
Jednoznacne RHINOCEROS. Za par tisic sa da kupit studentska verzia, k tomu vray a je to super balik za vazne dobru cenu. A vyhoda su samozrejme hlavne Nurbs, ale aj na rodinne domceky bude dobry.

Dátum: 9.1.2008
Od: PetoAdam
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
Veď to je tá nevýhoda že musíš prechádza do maxu, poopravova polygóny, namapovA, nasvieti. a potom hurá, video mᚠdo 10 min. fajn. Myslím že BroňaČ. chcela jednoduché riešenie. jekt na úrovni S.P. + vyzoška. Niečo ako http://www.arcon3d.cz/arcon9_profesional.htm

Dátum: 7.1.2008
Od: kywy
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
chlapci, chlapci,
a to si myslíte, že od všetkých tých maxiek a revitov budete robi lepšiu architektúru?

Dátum: 7.1.2008
Od: petr muk
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
vyrendrovat v maxku animaciu aku opisusuje peto teda najazd kamery iba s farebnimi plochami a tienmi trva urcite menej ako 10 minut a kvalita je neporovnatelna. teda ak nerendrujeme na pmd 85. teda peto naozaj zavaadzas a na tomto fore aj zavadzaas. cau

Dátum: 7.1.2008
Od: staronovy
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
petko, ti hlupacik ti si asi iny program ako revit nevidel. myslys ze v inych sa nedaju robit najazdy kamerou? len pre tvoje info to ide. nezavadzaj tu picovinami a prosimta odpovedz na otazku co sa pital clovek nedavno, aky comp treba na uvedenu budovu.

Dátum: 6.1.2008
Od: PetoAdam
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
V Revite by som to vyriešil nájazdom kamery bez renderingu...len tiene,šrafúry,farebné povrchy. Video je hotové za 10min. V ostatných programoch sa to dá len s renderingom a video je hotové tak za 1 noc pokial sa nepomýliš sa v nasvietení.

Dátum: 1.1.2008
Od: krtek helle
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
peto, nebud svina a uved aky pocitac potrebuje na vytvorenie projektu povedzme 20 poschodovej administracky a aby to investorovi mohla pekne pred ocami zatocit bez lagu a nutnosti cakat na kazde otocenie 5 minut.

Dátum: 30.12.2007
Od: PetoAdam
Predmet: RE: Broňa
S rovnakou dilemou sa pasuje aj nᚠateliér, kde sú 2 skupiny žudí. 1.)Autocad pozitív: V Revite neuveritežne rýchlo spravia model, pôdorysy, farebné pohžady, vytieňovanú perspektívu (bez nutnosti renderingu) na úrovni prezentácie. Aká kožvek zmena sa objaví hneď vo všetkých výkresoch.( Revit je ideálny program na štúdie, až projekt pre S.P. za 168 000,- ).
2.) Skupinka Nemetschkárov: Robia to isté, akurát ich model nie je prezentovania schopný. treba ho minimálne otextúrova a prerendrova, najrýchlejšie je to v artlantise, a keď sa robia že potrebujú super výstup, tak v 3D studiu viz. Nevýhoda: vo vizualizačných programoch už nemôžeš editova model, preto allplan 2008 sa snaží maž v sebe pokročilé rendrovacie nástroje ale stále to nie je ono...Naša konkurenia používa Microstation, v ňom sa ale nemodelujú prvky ako steny strecha, schodisko, ale všetko sa robí z hranolov a výsekov, základných tvarov. je to asi najhoršie riešenie.

Dátum: 7.10.2007
Od: error
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
revit vs. priestorova krivka

Dátum: 7.10.2007
Od: clovek
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
geniov ako tohto tu co ovlada revit tu bolo. naco to kupujete, staci stiahnut oskusat a mozno potom ked to bude vyhovovat zakupit. a tomu lakostikovi prosim dajte ban na toto forum. je to blbec

Dátum: 7.10.2007
Od: teply jerry
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
ti lakatosik, dakujeme ze ta tu mame. nechces nam este seckim popri tom tvojom zrucnom ovladani revitu fajcit kaare? verim ze by si to zvladol!

Dátum: 1.10.2007
Od: marek lakostik
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
Vážený Dubo,
Vᚠpríbeh je vežmi pútavý, ale v slušných spoločnostiach sa patrí, keď už človek na niečo nadáva sa predstavi, nech vieme s kým máme tú čes (nehovoriac o tom, že mail, ktorý ste udali náhodou nefunguje)...
Ale k veci, zrejme ste nezavítali na stor.sk (diskusné fórum), podpora@stor.sk a telefonicky, je možno pravda, že na oficiálnej stránke programu nie je veža predmetov podža STN, ale blúdiac vodami internetu sa dá zakopnú o celkom dobré kúsky na českých stránkach... alebo napísa nejaký ten mail, či prispie na fórum...
Čo sa týka výroby prvkov, tak sami sa určite nevyrobia, ale vytvoril som si ich už niekožko desiatok, prípadne upravil nejakú tú americkú z webu, či načítal 3d dwg. Neviem, či je to jednoduché, ale písa som sa učil rozhodne dlhšie.
Z manuálom v českej verzii tiež úplne nesúhlasím, ale je to vec názoru. K školeniam poviem tožko, že sa skúste opýta užívatežov. A čo vlastne znamená hromadné?
Možno Vás prekvapím, ale v Revite projektujem... a už by som rozhodne nemenil, zatiaž som si poradil so všetkým, aj keď, pravda je, že kávu nevarí..


Dátum: 25.9.2007
Od: dubo
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
Kúpil som si Revit, cez Štor Cad. Pri kúpe mi nasžubovali : manuál, perfektné slovenské prostredie v súlade s STN, poradenstvo, širokú knižnicu a hlavne super program, ktorý robí všetko a je jednoduchý a logický..........a aby som nezabudol : samozrejmosou mala by hotline linka - kedykožvek. A aká bola skutočnos ? Nainštalova som si ho musel sám, budiš...to ešte zvládnem, manuál len v pdf formáte (1000 strán), ale aj to by som oželel, ale je napísaný absolútne ažkopádne a nezrozumitežne, ako keby ho písal absolvent matfyzu a nie architekt, alebo stavár. Hotline linka neexistuje, knižnica absolútne mizerná.....externá je na internete - nevyhovujúca, pretože je buď americká, britská, alebo francúzska s ich typmi ostení, osadenia a pod. Natiahnutie iných knižničných formátov..........prakticky nemožné a školenia.....zbytočné, pretože sú hromadné a neriešia sa veci, ktoré vychádzajú zo stavu poznania programu toho, ktorého architekta. Namiesto knižnice Vás predajca bude presviedča, že program je taký super, že si všetky prvky jednoducho vyrobíte.........tí magori asi neprojektovali......
Takže môj záver......dôsledne si preveri či to čo Ti predajca sžubuje je aj pravda, preveri na internete, prípadne si vyžiada referencie užívatežov.

Dnes žutujem, že som si nekúpil ArchiCad !!!
Ozaj.......nekúpite niekto Revit ??

Dátum: 24.8.2007
Od: tomas g
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
archicad + artlantis, uplna spokojnost, minimum roboty.... teda, samozrejme, podla toho, ako to chce mat klient vyzdobene.... Jedine minus bola cena, par rokov trvalo, kym som investoval do legalnej verzie :-)

Dátum: 24.8.2007
Od: gomez1
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
........no ja by som tiez odporucal SketchUp je uplne suprovy...ja ho mam od firmy C-engineering...staci im zavolat a poslu cd aj s cestinou....vyrzia bude fungovat 8 hodin prace.potom sa moze zakupit licencia a ani ta nie je draha cca 17400SK bez DPH.....

Dátum: 26.7.2007
Od: ferol
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
mas pravdu, so Sketchupom som zacal prave pred par dnami....a normalne uvazujem, ze ho nasadim do plnej prevadzky...

Dátum: 25.7.2007
Od: dolbynka
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
:) drahí chlapi...skúste si prečíta, čo vlastne Broňa potrebuje...hovorí o "základnej predstave objektu"...o nenáročnom softveri...hovorí o rd a menších projektoch...
...na tieto "požiadavky" by som jej odporučila určite Sketchup...rýchle, velmi jednoduché, dos efektné...aspoň pre menšie veci určite...je to velmi sikovný a logicky jednoduchy program, na ktorom sa aspoň mne osvedčilo prezentova a konzultova s klientom danú vec...a dokáza jednoducho pred jeho očami meni, tvori...a nestráca čas zbytočným rendrovaním...
aj ja robím v maxku, jasne že tie výstupy sa nedajú porovna, sú podstatne dokonalejšie (aj keď tvorca nemusí by absolútne dokonalý, naozaj stačí pozna zopár fínt...)ale sketchup je taký milý, taký architektonický, proste sa nehrá na realitu (čo môže by v prípade iných 3D softvérov dos gíčové), iba tvorí o nej predstavu...a udržiava si svoj štýl...nemyslíte?

Dátum: 18.7.2007
Od: ferol
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
pre moskalik: praveze nechcem pre svoju kancelariu soft za miliony....momentalne cela moja vybava jedneho pocitaca stoji cca. 15.000 (intellicad, cinema 6CE+, Corel, Gimp, Zoner Photo studio, Total Comander, Windows, OpenOffice...a plno doplnovych freewarov...) - hoci som bol zvyknuty robit s: Autocad, Max 6, Photoshop...tak jedine co lutujem, ze nemam je Photoshop...
V case ked som sa informoval u distributora Archline XP...nebol dostupny ziadny modul pre stavebnu fyziku a nevedel som ani o statickych moduloch....a toto ma prave teraz zaujalo - ak vam to nerobi problem, ozvite sa mi prosim na mail frantisek.lehocky@gmail.com, rad by som sa popytal nejake podrobnosti ku Archline Xp...
pretoze planujem rozrastanie tymu a je na zvazenie, ci vsetkych ucit nieco nove...kedze su zvyknuti na Autodesk produkty (osobne ich nemam velmi rad)

Dátum: 12.7.2007
Od: ekim
Predmet: 3d
http://www.luxology.com/

Dátum: 12.7.2007
Od: moskalik
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
Dovolte abych prispel trochou do mlyna. Sam jsem stal pred podobnou otazkou pred nekolika lety. Pouzivam ARCHlineXP uz nekolik let. Je plne srovnatelny s Allplanem nebo Archicadem (kupodivu nabizi i funkce navic). A nejdulezitejsi rozdil je: pro cloveka ktery chce skutecne pracovat se softwarem (a ma ho legalne) je dulezite jej udrzovat aktualni, uz napriklad z duvodu vymeny dat s okolim. Pri porizeni Nemetschka, Archicadu, Revitu je porizovaci cena silena a upgradova politika prakticky ponizujici - koupis si program a pak jenom platis a platis neskutecny castky. ARCHline - porizovaci cena dostupna, upgrade taky a hlavne je zde vse co nabizi ostatni.
ferol napsal o tomto programu, ze nema vystupy pro ostatni programy, coz neni pravda. Sam pouzivam rozpoctak s podklady od ARCHline a ted ma i svoji stavebni fyziku (u nas zatim bohuzel jeste neni v prodeji) - stejnej program co pouziva Allplan. Podklady pro statika v pohode. Profi vizualazace delam v Cinama4D CE - ta je zdarma a bohate staci.
Ferol asi bude porizovat softwarove vybaveni pro svou kancelar v hotnote nekolika milionu a vsechnu praci asi bude delat sam - preji hodne uspechu.

Dátum: 2.7.2007
Od: cad lecturer
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
odporucam kombinaciu BIM a nieco na render, po podporuje vystupny format bim cad-u.

Osobne nepovazujem extra super realisticke vizosky za top. priestorovy a graficky pekny vystup moze byt aj obrazok typu sketch/paint and ink. Umenie je skor spravit pekny ten ako real.

Dátum: 30.6.2007
Od: bko
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
potkan aky program by si odporucil teda cloveku ktory nehlada nic narocne. len ma to zaujima. neovladam vsetky programy ale s tich co pouzivam respektive som pouzival je maxko jednoznacne na zakladne predstavenie hmoty objektu ako vravis najjednoduchsi a najrychlajsi. porovnavam s acad, revit, cinema, sketchup, allplan, a archicad.
vizosky typu 3 veze za vikend je ozaj asi trosku nadsadene, osobne by mi vymodelovat takuto scenu zabralo par hodin, ide o to ze 90% casu zabera nastavenie svetla, shaderov, a rendru,resp. kopa skusobnych rendrovani a napokon finalny produkt.

Dátum: 29.6.2007
Od: toman kubik
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
to android: prepac, zle som si zapamatal, nei su 3 tyzdne ale tyzden. a som ochotny, co vyhlasujem aj takto verejne, zapltit ti vizualizacie ktore bude ako hvoris "rovnake" ako 3veze, ci riverpark a budu urobene za weekend (cize 48 hodin, sobota nedela). kludne sa mi ozvi a mozeme to spisat, myslim, z emnohych citatelov by takyto vysledok "sutaze" zaujal.

Dátum: 29.6.2007
Od: toman kubik
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
to android: prekvapuje ma tvoj postoj, nehovorim, ze spomenute vizualizacie animacie su vrcholom moznosti software-u, ktory bol an to pozuity, ale skutocne si nemyslim, ze to co ej v nich ukazane sa moze niekto naucit za 3 tyzdne, ohanas sa tu kvalitou svojich prac, nuz predved. U mna asi 50% prijmu tvoria vizualizacie, animacie a ilustracie pre rozne subjekty vramci SR a CR, sme-tam zahranicie a napriek (alebo prave preto), ze sa 3d grafike venujem uz asi 4 roky sa povazujem za zaciatocnika. Takze vyroky typu "3 tyzdne" s ami zdaju minimalne zavadzajuce.
to Brona: Velmi zalezi co ocakavas od software-u ako aj od seba. POkialpriacujes sama na mensich porjektoch, nie ej myslim problem "vyskusat" viacero CAD, AEC ci BIM a BIN programov na pracu. Z tych rozsirenejsich sa da spomenut REVIT, Archicad (mimochodom dnes vlemi zaujimavo cenovo postaveny pre mladych architektov), Architecuat Desktop (ktory iste bdue psotupne vyradeny z vyvoja, aspon tka ukazuju posledne prognozy zo stretnuti uzivatelov Autodesk produktov a vyrobcu). Samozrejme Allplan, Spirit (rozsireny najma v Nemecku), Vectorworks (teraz uz sucastou portfolia Nemetschek AG) ktory je rozsireny halvne USA, ale aj Nemecko, Spanielsko (CR+SR neikolko 100 instalacii), Turbocad (vyuzivany hlavne v nabytkarstve), Arcon, Datacad, ArchlineXP, Bricscad a vseobecne Intellicad (najlacnejsie riesenie nativne na DWG formate), Bricsad Architecturals (jadro neskor pouzite v Triforme od Bentley), Microstation, CYCAS, Speedikon a mnohe ine. Zial v SR je standard Autocad, cize aj jeho format DWG, preto je podla mna nutne aby pouzity soft korektne spolupracoval s tymto formatom. Programy zalozene na filozofii databaze (BIM ci BIN technologia) ako su Revit, Archicad, ciastocne Allplan dokazu poskytnut vela nadvazujucich informacii pre uzivatela (vypis prvkov, hmot, akualne rezy a mnohe ine) ale treba si uvedomit ze program neukaze viac nez subro obsahuje, tzn. ak mate spravne steny, hmoty, povrchy aj ich vypis bude korektny, ak nie tak nie, preto je nutne program ovladat a byt dosledny pri realizacii projektovej dokumentacie.
co sa tyka vizualizacii, nehrajme sa prosim na to, ze trh v SR je zhyckany, je tu sice iste percento klientov (hlavne vleke develop.s poslocnosti) ktore vyzaduju skutocne fektne prezentacie ale mnozstvo beznych klientov uspokojite aj vystupom z uvedenych programov (vid napr. kupelnove a kuchynske studia aj vo svete pozuivaju obycajen metody raytracingu, sem tma makke tiene, a na tychto rpincipoch su postavene aj programy rpe Villeroy&Boch a podobne firmy). samostatne programy rucene aj an vizualiazcie su okrem inych Autodesk Maya, Autodesk 3ds Max, Softimage, Lifgtwave, Cinema 4d, Modo, Truespace,Art-lantis. Podla mojho anzoru akzdy z nich splni (v spravnychrukach) aj tie najvacsie kriteria SR trhu na vizualizacie. znacna oblubenost 3ds Max (plus ine render engines) je v ramci SR sposobene apodla mna do istej miery aj typickym slovenskym "mat viac ako sused" a z velkej casti pracovnvici s tymto nastrojom vyzuivaju jeho moznosti len an zlomok percent, skratka chyba tu akosi pristup "na maly kliniec male kladivo" a darmo budete vacsine klientov vysvetlovat neico o nadhernom difuznom osvetleni, photon mappingu, particles ci hair afur moznostiach software-u, i ked pri 3ds Max vsetko toto zakupit musite. Apovedzme si, ze nie za prilis ludovu cenu. Skratka pre mna to pride tak, akoby sa moho ludi vozilo po meste v Porche, je sice kradnute, jazdit poriadne neviem, maximalna povolena je len 60tka, ale mam viac ako sused.

Dátum: 26.6.2007
Od: potkan
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
nuz, mily android -
neviem, dost ma prekvapuje, ze uspesne studovat na vysokej skole moze jedinec, ktoremu sposobuje neprekonatelne problemy elementarne pochopenie jednoducheho textu. myslim ze autorka otazky pod vetou "Nechcem nič náročné, momentálne potrebujem len niečo na základné predstavenie objektu" naozaj nemyslela nieco ako "poradte mi, v ktorom programe sa daju robit hyperrealisticke vystupy, proste high-end", takisto pod vetnym spojenim "je lepšie kúpi nadstavbu k programu, alebo kúpi nejaký lacnejší iný softvér" dost mozno nemyslela nieco ako "sice som uz investovala xxx do programu XY, ale rada by som investovala este niekolkokrat tolko, najlepsie do niecoho uplne odlisneho..."

Dátum: 24.6.2007
Od: stereoid
Predmet: Android nie je dilino
android nie si vobec dilino ani do seba zahladeny a nie si ani zakomplexovany.to nech nikoho ani nenapadne.

Dátum: 23.6.2007
Od: bko
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
presne suhlasim, maxko s vray na rendre+acad a photoshop. to je cele co potrebujes. vystupy zalezia od shopnosti. neviem ci vystupy ala 3 veze a riverpark mozno povazovat za ukazku schopnosti vystupu maxka, ked som este chodil na fa stu taketo vizosky produkoval kazdy druhy z mojho kruzku. treba sa poobzerat po profesionalnych ukazkach.

Dátum: 23.6.2007
Od: android
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
Hi! Nuž, milý “znalci“! Oháňate sa tu s druhoradými programami. Jasné, ak potrebujete iba sami vidie ako vami navrhnutá hmota vypadá, potom necha vizualizova odborníkov, tak je to ok! Mám však pocit, že v súčastných podmienkach na Slovensku, musí by každý z nás maximálne sebestačný, aby sa neak uživil, preto nepokladám za dobrý nápad neinvestova do niečoho, čo zvládne VŠETKO! Tým je kombinácia autocad+max(V-ray)+photoshop! Tvrdíte, že v maxku je ažké sa nauči robi. To nie je pravda! To čo viem ja, naučím hoci koho za týždeň, a moje výstupy sú profesionálne. Také vizi ala 3 veže, river park... zbúcham za weekend. Najlepšie na maxku je, že sa chová presne tak, ako v danom momente potrebujete! Ak si potrebujete len niečo škicnú (ako v sketchupe)-ok, nie je to o nič zlozitejšie, ale samotný výstup dokáže by tak nádherný, jako by to bol robil tým odborníkova na druhej strane dokážete pripravi dych vyrážajúcu prezentáciu, aj s animáciou!

Dátum: 10.6.2007
Od: juro
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
fero: pravda, len nekomercne. ale da sa to aspon odskusat, ci ti software "sadne" :)

miki: to je jednoducha textura natiahnuta na fasade...http://sketchup.google.com/3dbuildviewer.html#id=10

Dátum: 6.6.2007
Od: miki
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
dorobit vo photoshope možeš fotku do 2d obrázku, tu sa to však dá otáča v 3d-pozri na 3d warehouse

Dátum: 6.6.2007
Od: lubo
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
miki, mozno su tam tie fotky dodatocne dorobene vo photoshope, ale to ma len tak napadlo...v sketch upe ani neviem robit :))

Dátum: 5.6.2007
Od: miki
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
poradi niekto?
pozeram mnohe modely vytvorene v sketchupe a udivuju ma tie modely existujucich stavieb, ktore maju fasady vytvorene tak, ze su na nich "natiahnute" fotografie ich fasad. Je ich v 3d warehouse plno. ako treba taky model vytvorit, na to som neprisiel. treba nanho este dalsi soft? v samotnom sketchupe som na to nastroj neobjavil. budem vdacny za radu. btw zislo by sa hodnotne diskusne forum tu na archinete zamerane specialne na nase programy pre tvorbu architektury a grafiku, bez to, aby bolo zahlcovane balastnymi prispevkami.

Dátum: 4.5.2007
Od: ferol
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
zadarmo verzia sketchupu je len na nekomercne ucely...

Dátum: 4.5.2007
Od: juro
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
pracujem v jednom londynskom studiu a je tu dost popularny SketchUp... riadne vizualizacie sa dajvaju robit specialnemu timu(robia v 3dMaxe s V-rayom) alebo sa objednavaju v externych studiach. SketchUp ma vyhodu, ze je zadarmo (orezana verzia - neda sa z nej exportovat dalej do 3dMaxa a inych programov. opacne to samozrejme ide) a plna verzia je tiez relativne lacna.

Dátum: 4.5.2007
Od: juro
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
pracujem v jednom londynskom studiu a je tu dost popularny SketchUp... riadne vizualizacie sa dajvaju robit specialnemu timu(robia v 3dMaxe s V-rayom) alebo sa objednavaju v externych studiach. SketchUp ma vyhodu, ze je zadarmo (orezana verzia - neda sa z nej exportovat dalej do 3dMaxa a inych programov. opacne to samozrejme ide) a plna verzia je tiez relativne lacna.

Dátum: 3.5.2007
Od: archon
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
jednoznacne Cinema 4D... priama podpora AllPlanu, kedze Maxon patri do Nemetschek AG, je to plnohodnotny profesionalny 3D softwer, v mnohych ohladoch lepsi ako 3D max. Ak vsak potrebujes len zakladne hmotovky tak to by som pouzil Allplan... kedze v nom robis len 2D tak mozno SketchUP

Dátum: 3.5.2007
Od: Peter
Predmet: RE: Praca v 3d programe
Momentalne som studentom na FA STU v poslednom rocniku. Praca na pocitaci ma moc neuspokojovala, v tomto som bol viac menej lajkom.
V priebehu studia bolo nutnostou sa v 3d programe naucit robit, S 3d maxom to velmi neslo, zda sa mi dost zlozity, vysledky su prekrasne , ale vybera si to vela casu a namahy.
Samozrejme ak patrite k ludom ,ktori nemaju casu na rozdavanie, Cinema 4D je skvely, jednoduchy program s celkom dobrymi vysledkami a to za kratky cas samostudia.

Dátum: 24.2.2007
Od: dasa
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
Poradte mi prosim nejaky software na urbanisticke a krajinne planovanie.

Dátum: 11.1.2007
Od: ferol
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
ARCHLINE XP - jeden cas som nad tym softom uvazoval, mal som ho nainstalovany a nieco som aj poskusal...neviem to ale posudit oproti archicadu,vyzera to dost podobne, ovladanim rozdielne, mam taky dojem, ze soft vznikol odstiepenim casti programatorov od grafisoftu niekedy v minulosti a urobili vlastny soft...takze preto ta podobnost...axrchlineXp sa prezentuje tym, ze novinky, ktore uvazda od neho nasledne pajcuje archicad (posledne to boli sikme steny, osadzovanie do fotiek, fotogrametria a pod) problem vidim v tom, ze archlineXP je mierne povedane ignorovany inymi vyrobcami - takze perspektiva nejakych doplnujucich modulov alebo exportnych pluginov je asi miziva (to znamena, ze je mensia pravdepodobnost modulu pre statiku, stavebnu fyziku a pod...k comu ostatne velke softy smeruju)

Revit sa prudko vivija, stale ma ale pre architekta velke obmezdnia..je to stavarsky soft a hotovo...a aj to zatial nie je uplne dotiahnuty - kedze sami v Autodesku tvrdia, ze je nutne ho doplnit autocadom (podrobne detaily apod), co mi pripada pri AEC softe krok spat

Dátum: 11.1.2007
Od: bko
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
revit je fasa program, dnes asi najkomplexnejsia vec pre architekta, zvladne ho takpovediac aj opica pretoze vpodstate vsetko robi za teba, reaguje na zmeny a prenasa ich do celeho projektu, vratane tabuliek a cenovych kalkulacii, 3d mocelu... pokial ide o povodnu otazku v suvislosti z revitom, tak suhlasim ze vystup je otrasny ale jednoduchy export modelu do maxka a omapovanie plus dobry plugin na render to istia. pokial chces modelovat rychlejsie a aj zlozitejsie veci tak odporucam maxko a plugin vray na render. pokial jednoduchsie zozen si sketchup, je velmi jednoduchy. a este na margo revitu. pokial chces robit zlozitejsie, vacsie objekty zabezpec si riadnu masinu s open gl kartou a zasobou ramky. taktiez navigacia v 3d je dost odflaknuta.

Dátum: 10.1.2007
Od: potkan
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
brona: revit byval zo zaciatku v podstate taky pajcnuty archicad, dnes uz to nie je pravda, uz zacal pajcovat aj archicad od revitu... co povedat, je to soft v ktorom sa da rychlo naucit, rychlo a efektivne pracovat. ale jeho rendrove vystupy su strasne, povedal by som ze su este horsie ako lightworks engine v archicade... rozhodne sa nedaju porovnavat vizualizacne moznosti revitu a napriklad zmienovanej cinemy, napokon revit nie je soft urceny primarne na vizualizacie, na to ma autodesk ine produkty.
ananas: ten ARCHlineXP stoji 37.000,- ceskych, ArchiCAD Start edition - co je verzia orezana o niektore funkcie teamworku - stoji nejakych 50.000,- mne to nepride ako PODSTATNE lacnejsia alternativa...

Dátum: 10.1.2007
Od: ananas
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
Pozná niekto soft ARCHLINE XP? Je to vraj alternatíva k Archicadu, avšak podstatne lacnejšia. Z málo overených zdrojov počúvam, že sa mu najmenej vyrovná. Vid archline.cz alebo archlinexp.cc. Pracuje s tým niekto?

Dátum: 10.1.2007
Od: broňa
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
Ďakujem všetkým za ich názory na danú problematiku. Momentálne by som Vás chcela poprosi o vaše názory na Revit, ktorý je prezentovaný ako samostatný kresliaci stavbársky 3D program s možnosou "vizualizácií" - samozrejme, nie takých kvalitných ako pri originál vizualizačných programoch (pre mňa ale na začiatok posačujúce)- plne kompatibilný s AutoCadom. Mňa celkom oslovil, ale rada sa nechám pouči od vás, ktorí s ním máte nejaké praktické aj teoretické skúsenosti.

Dátum: 22.11.2006
Od: ferol
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
brona, ja osobne urcite odporucam v pripade, ze robis v allplane Cinemu 4D. Sam ju pouzivam treti rok v kombinacii s autocadom - teraz intellicadom a ako pise potkan, na architketuru mi pride fakt blbost modelovat to priamo v maxe alebo cineme...ja si osobne zakladny model v cade nasupem za par hodin a v cineme dorabam len komplikovanjesie veci a stafaz....

cinemu odporucam z dovodu, ze Allplan a Cinema patri pod jednu firmu - Nemetchek a aktualne verzie medzi sebou komunikoju vraj velmi dobre... (nieco ako acad+max) ale neviem ci dokonca aj spatna vazba tam nie je....

takze aj perpektivne to je pre teba vyhodne..lebo je predpoklad, ze casom prejdes na 3D allplan a dovolis si nakupit aj aktualne verzie Cinemy... Takze ked sa teraz naucis robit so Cinemou (hoci aj starou) tak mas v buducnosti zabezpeceny rychly prechod na aktualne verzie a kompatibilitu

v kazdom slusnejsom knihkupectve sa da kupit kniha za 450 Sk, kde je plna verzia Cinema 4D 6CE (na nej robim aj ja k plnej spkojnosti), ktora ma jedno obmedzenie a to velkost vystupu... ale aj sam predajca toho programu ti povie na ich fore, ako sa toto obmedzenie v pripade potreby da legalne obist :))) - ked sa ti program osvedci, mas moznost potom za 4000 korun kpit plnu verziu bez tohoto obmedzenia

diskusne forum na http://www.3dsoftware.cz/3dportal/ funguje dost dobre a rychlo ti ludia poradia, kniha sa cita velmi dobre (cital som nejake knihy na 3DSMax...ale boli zle), ziadny balast, ja som ju mal za vikend precitanu a po dvoch rokoch trapenia sa v 3DSMax som pochopil asi za dva tyzdne to, co som v Maxe len tipoval, ze robim a preco to robim.... po asi dvoch mesiacoch som mal vyrazne lepsie vystupy ako a Maxu po 2 rokoch skusenosti, takze asi tak :)

okrem toho program je plne lokalizovany do CESTINY :) takze aj zaciatocnik sa do vizualizacii dostane dost rychlo

dufam, ze ti to pomohlo,

Dátum: 13.11.2006
Od: potkan
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
pre "---"

neviem odkial ste vydedukovali, ze pokladam cinemu ci max za softy orientovane na organicke hmoty... ale na tomto fore ma prekvapuje uz maloco. mozete si byt isty, ze v maxku uz mam par stovak milionov polygonov za sebou /zacinal som kedysi s max1, stare 3d studio4 som len uchytkom zadrapol/, modeloval som naozaj vsetko mozne - dizajn, charaktery, architekturu, landscapy... myslim ze na istej urovni maxacke poly modelovanie ovladam, napriek tomu je pre mna presne modelovanie architektury efektivnejsie riesit specializovanymi CAD nastrojmi, ako maxkom. predpokladam, ze u cloveka, ktory ma skusenosti s nemetschkom, avsak nulove skusenosti s 3d modellermi to nebude inak.

pre "o"
cinema 4D+6 stoji tri tisicky, nova R10 stoji 30 tisic. jeden z dovodov preco som o cineme pisal.

Dátum: 13.11.2006
Od: o
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
tak-
kedze mam skusenost s allplanom 2D/3D aj s maxom aj cinemou skusim poradit_allplan ma dobre prepracovanu projektu (vykresy,folie,hladiny)- tuto strukturu vie prebrat len allplan sam alebo cinema 4d_do 3d maxu len cez DWG export
allplan-na predvedenie architektury staci-ziadne profi viz vsak z neho nedostanete-modelovanie v nom spociva v trochu tazkopadnom modelovani v 2D a zadavani vysky stien-je na tom dobre to ze ma prepracovanu modifikaciu otvorov vkladanie ramov aj s vyplnami umoznujuce neskor urobit vykaz vymer a pod_ako modelovaci a viz nastroj by som ho ale neodporucal predsalen modelovat a otacat model v 3D je pohodlnejsie a rychlejsie
cinema4D alebo max -modelovanie a praca v nich je v zasade podobna len max ma strukturu projektu skor autocadovsku a cinema allplanovsku
a udaje netreba zadavat 2x ved kazdy si najprv nakresli 2d-teda aspon podorys a potom to taha v 3d
alebo potom alternativy na rychle 3d skice sketchUp alebo blender alebo rhinoceros
ovsem okrem sketchupu a blendera max, cinema, rhino vobec niesu lacny spas

Dátum: 12.11.2006
Od: bko
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
tvrdit ze modelovanie v cade je rychlejsie ako napriklad v maxku je absolutny blud. potkan ti si asi velmi nerozumies s pojmom efektivita prace. brona ked sa naucis robit v maxku popripade inom podobnom programe mas vyhrate. na jednoduche hmotovky staci aj acad ale za cenu premrhaneho casu. navyse na 3d modelovacie programy existuje vyborne pluginy nielen na rendrovanie ale aj kopec inych veci. z rendrovacich asi naj su uz spominany maxwell, ktory je ale prilis pomaly a vray ktory s o nieco horsimy rendrami ale zato rychli a user friendly.

Dátum: 10.11.2006
Od: ---
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
Potkan keby si ohžadom toho modelovania v 3D softoch netáral. To že sú orientovyné na "organické" hmoty nie je prevda... Sú vysoko univerzálne a modelova sa dá v nich absolútne všetko. Kto zvládne napr. 3D Max tak dokáže modelova niekožko-násobne rýchlejšie ako v ktorom kožvek Cade. Nehovoriad o render výstupoch...
Lenže zvládnu "MAXA" nie je žiadna sranda....

Dátum: 7.11.2006
Od: Milann
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
Ak nemate znalosti s cisto modelovacimi/animacnymi programami, skusil by som vam doporucit SketchUp. Jednoduchy, nenarocny program so silnymi moznostami. Ak potrebujete nahodit zakladny koncept, overit priestorove vztahy a ziskat rendre na podobne skici urcite sa Vam bude pacit. Spolupraca s Nemetschkom by sa dala vyriesit cez dwg export, mozno bude existovat aj nejaky vymenny plug-in.

Dátum: 7.11.2006
Od: potkan
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
no ja s cinemou nerobim, ale je to program zamerany skor na "volne" modelovanie ako na presne technicke modelovanie, ako napokon vsetky podobne programy. vzdy je pre cloveka zvyknuteho na CADy rychlejsie hlavne modelovanie riesit v CAD aplikacii, v cistych 3D softoch je vyhodnejsie riesit skor menej konvencne hmoty, organiku... cinemu som pisal kvoli tomu, ze som sa dopocul, ze celkom dobre ma rieseny import smerom ku allplanu. pozrel by som sa mozno este na free soft Blender, v spolupraci s Yaffray renderom dava velmi slusne vysledky, akurat ma neskutocne spackanu pracu s kamerou a celkovo sa ovlada trochu divne. ale na druhej strane ma aj v cs realiach celkom slusnu netovu komunitu, takze jest jednoduchsie riesit pripadne problemy, aj ked tato komunita je viac zamerana na ine oblasti 3D tvorby ako architektura.

Dátum: 4.11.2006
Od: broňa
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
milý potkan, pozrela som si cinemu 4D, zatiaž som príjemne prekvapená, ale poraď mi ešte prosím - je to samostatný 3D soft - to znamená, že v ňom viem urobi vizualizáciu aj bez toho, aby som vlastnila nejaký iný program. Resp. viem v cineme zadáva základné rozmery - nemusím ich už prebera napr. v mojom prípade z Allplanu?

Dátum: 4.11.2006
Od: potkan
Predmet: RE: Výber softvéru.
najlepsi program na vizualizacie je kazdy, s ktorym viete robit. vo vasom pripade by som sa pozrel v prvom rade na moznosti samotneho nemetschka, urcite ma nejake extension pre realne posobiace rendre. dalej sa da uvazovat o nejakej samostatnej aplikacii iba pre rendering, bez modelovania, co si predpokladam osetrite samotnym allplanom. tu by som uvazoval o maxwell renderi, ktory uz ma aj priamu podporu pre allplan. jeho vysledky su fantasticke, jeho hardwarove naroky su ale takisto fantasticke a rendertime byva bohuzial takisto "fantasticky". cena je myslim akceptovatelna. poslednou moznostou su samostatne 3D aplikacie. na vasom mieste by som - aj kvoli cene - nesiel cestou produktov autodesku, co je rodina 3dsmax, 3ds viz a najnovsie aj maya, toto su produkty dost uzavrete do sveta formatov autodesku a spolupraca s inymi softami neni na najlepsej urovni. skor by sa dalo uvazovat o cineme 4D, ktora myslim celkom dobre vie spolupracovat aj s allplanom.
berte ale tento vypocet rezervovane, ja s allplanom priamo nepracujem.